Ballot vs Fee Stake

Ankha wrote:

beslin wrote:

How works ballots vs efect 1 fewer votes?

Q1) Fee Stake: Perth

Cardtype: Action
Requires a ready anarch with capacity above 4. +1 stealth action. Title.
Put this card on the acting anarch to represent the unique anarch title of Baron of Perth. This may lead to a contested title. Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action. In that referendum, non-anarch titles are worth 1 fewer votes.

So,when any vampire call referendum to burn this card,how that afect ballots and prisci sub referendum?

Not affected, they don't get -1 ballot.

It seems odd that the Fee Stakes were never updated when the Prisci vote became a ballot. The cards were printed in 2003 (and never updated since), but ballots were introduced in 2011. It seems counterintuitive that the -1 vote-like thing in a referendum sometimes affects Prisci and sometimes not. These cards should all use the same templating.

EDIT: LSJ's original ruling was because there was no text on Fee Stakes that specifically pointed out the Prisci votes, but the FSR text was parenthetical on the original printing. The original ruling was an error, IMO.

Current card text:

Free States Rant
Requires an Independent or Anarch vampire.

Allocate X points among one or more ready vampires, where X is half the capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up). No more than 3 points points can be allocated to each vampire. Successful referendum means each vampire burns 1 blood for each point allocated. In this referendum, non-priscus titles are worth 1 less vote each, priscus title is worth 1 less ballot, and burning the Edge is worth 1 additional vote.

I think it's clear now, is it not ?

lip wrote:

Current card text:

Free States Rant
Requires an Independent or Anarch vampire.

Allocate X points among one or more ready vampires, where X is half the capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up). No more than 3 points points can be allocated to each vampire. Successful referendum means each vampire burns 1 blood for each point allocated. In this referendum, non-priscus titles are worth 1 less vote each, priscus title is worth 1 less ballot, and burning the Edge is worth 1 additional vote.

I think it's clear now, is it not ?

You're missing the point. I am talking about history. Original versions of cards, bad rulings, and the botched migration to ballots because of that.

The original text of FSR included a reference to Prisci in a parenthetical. The original text (only text) for Fee Stakes did not. LSJ's ruling about Fee Stakes not affecting Prisci is because the parenthetical is missing. While we know that WW era cards used the parenthetical poorly, it seems odd that such a ruling was made. Parenthetical text being, well, parenthetical.

We're now living with two similar, but different templates: one affecting ballots and one not.
The principle of least surprise suggests that this is bad design. I see no reason that LSJ's original ruling couldn't be overturned now.

If the rules team doesn't want to undo LSJ's marginally bad call, BCP also has the chance to align the templating for the upcoming Anarch set. One hopes that Fee Stakes will finally see a reprint there.

Oh right, I get it know - I was missing the point. If I understand correctly you’re arguing fee stake cards should affect ballots ? The way it works for free states rant ? That makes more sense.