Rules Team Rulings - RTR 11/05/2018

Sambomb wrote:

This means the waters come into play as anarchs already?

yes, If the Setite taking the Waters of Duat action is also a member of the Anarch Sect.

As do Thin-blooded Seers, Tumnimos, Hatchlings and Create Gargoyles.

Which is awesome because that is the only way to make Thin-blooded Seers viable, and in a pretty elegant way: if you want another vampire of your clan, go with Embrace; if you want another from your sect, go Thin-blooded Seers.

I already built a thin-bloods+hackerspace+saturday/dragonbreath deck based on the new wording, and I would love to try a Ravnos/gargoyle one soon enough.

I might have missed it and if so please point me to the relevant post, but what justifications were made for these rules changes? Most seem pointless or will/may have unintended consequences (the anarch sect thing is abusable for instance by tumninos/waters/thinbloodseer revolutionary council decks) , and seems utterly unnecesary.

Not fond of the Villein change either. It fucks every fattie deck I run. The whole point of villein was to make minion tap a trifle (to allow room for other less used masters, variety is good) while putting a diminishing return clock on both minion taps and villeins. Now I have to go back to taps when there is not enough room for them in the master portion of the decks.

Not really keen on these new rules changes coming out especially as none of them deal with my most hated cards, pentex and the golden bullets, sudden/wash and in particular DI which just causes games to time out more ime.

talonz wrote:

(the anarch sect thing is abusable for instance by tumninos/waters/thinbloodseer revolutionary council decks) , and seems utterly unnecesary.

It was mentioned that Anarchs will be a sect in 5th Ed and this is to align with that. I guess to help cross-promotion. Not sure if it was an edict from WW/Paradox or a suggestion from BC, though.

talonz wrote:

I might have missed it and if so please point me to the relevant post, but what justifications were made for these rules changes? Most seem pointless or will/may have unintended consequences (the anarch sect thing is abusable for instance by tumninos/waters/thinbloodseer revolutionary council decks) , and seems utterly unnecesary.

Recruiting allies was functioning unintuitively, and you could argue that the juggle of recruiting, putting them to uncontrolled, and then moving them to controlled was entirely unnecessary as well. It was working differently from basically any other type of action in the game (cards just move straight to controlled). The obvious sign that something was wrong is when very few people were actually recruiting allies correctly. Almost everybody in my local games for example just put allies straight to controlled since it made no practical difference and was similar how putting vampires to play worked. Put into play, they cannot act on first turn.

ps. Breeding straight to anarchs is a consequence, something we may have to deal with but I don't think the world is gonna end..

About "Anarch is now a sect": (and sorry if this has been discussed before, if so I've missed if)

Does this change how merging anarch vampires works?

Say that the advanced version of Vampire X is "Independent". If I have the base version of X and make it Anarch, and then later merge the superior version, does it lose the Anarch status (now sect)? Or is Independent treated the same as Anarch in this case also?