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21 Dec 2011 10:00 #18996 by alek

2/ Open a "new" way to oust your prey for certain clan without titles, and bleed disciplines : kill vampires. I propose cards like bonus of +xbleed when x is the number of vamps in torpor.
Hey! I just got an idea : what about a card that makes small vamps pop up because of the lack of vampires controlled by your predator and prey? "when the cat is away..." : put X 1-cap vampires in play where x is the number of vampires in torpor controlled by your prey.

As Ohlann already stated such cards already exists. Additionally there is no reason now to help combat decks any more. While it was needed some time ago, now, combat is in best shape ever. Two last EC was won by combat decks, in EC Warsaw final, 3 out of 5 decks were combat ones.

3/ next expansion could be composed only by unique cards or cards playable once a game. This is to avoid problems about pdf format.

I don't get it. What kind of problems it would fix?

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21 Dec 2011 11:48 #18998 by aria
By combat deck you mean animalism combat with 3 cards : deep song ( amazing card, ANI did not need that one) carrion crows and aid from bats, which are existing for 15 years? Come on, we all have tried to win with dragonbound, tension, codex and all these crapy cards when playing !gangrel deck. We did not win a tournament except with enkidu or una.

a part of players argue that, with a pdf format, you will introduce many copies of the cards, and if just one is over designed, we will see plenty of that. If this card is unique or usable 1 each game, it solves the problem.

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21 Dec 2011 12:04 #18999 by Amenophobis

a part of players argue that, with a pdf format, you will introduce many copies of the cards, and if just one is over designed, we will see plenty of that. If this card is unique or usable 1 each game, it solves the problem.


By over designed you probably mean over powered, right?
Let's assume that in such a small set the cards get thoroughly playtested, and nothing will be overpowered.

If a unique card is overpowered, it still is overpowered and would need to be addressed, so your proposal is kind of beside the point.

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21 Dec 2011 12:06 #19000 by Ohlmann

Come on, we all have tried to win with dragonbound, tension, codex and all these crapy cards when playing !gangrel deck. We did not win a tournament except with enkidu or una.


combat deck != !gangrel. They have theirs own set of problem, not having any bleed modifier to oust faster being one of them.

It is still highly recommanded to have some legal manipulation / govern / changeling / living manse / other secondary ousting deck. Is that a bad thing ? Hard to tell, but putting overpowered version of dragonbound will surely not help pure combat deck, just make overpowered the one who already played bleed card.

The problem with dragonbound or Edenic is *not* that they are not powerful enough. It is that putting all your prey's vampire in torpor is both overkill and too difficult to be done reliably.

Also, animalism combat is not really a combat system. It's a cheap way to punish thoses who are unprepared to combat ; it fall apart as soon as you push a little with either real combat focus or S:CE. It's efficient, it's adapted to metagame, but it's not really all of combat.

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21 Dec 2011 12:31 #19001 by Izaak

The problem with dragonbound or Edenic is *not* that they are not powerful enough. It is that putting all your prey's vampire in torpor is both overkill and too difficult to be done reliably.

Also, animalism combat is not really a combat system. It's a cheap way to punish thoses who are unprepared to combat ; it fall apart as soon as you push a little with either real combat focus or S:CE. It's efficient, it's adapted to metagame, but it's not really all of combat.


This is pretty accurate.

As an aside, Edenic only requires your prey not to have any *untapped* minions. They can be ready just fine. The only real problem with combat is that the people playing it think that empying your preys ready region should make you win.

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21 Dec 2011 13:31 - 21 Dec 2011 13:38 #19003 by alek

By combat deck you mean animalism combat with 3 cards : deep song ( amazing card, ANI did not need that one) carrion crows and aid from bats, which are existing for 15 years?

By combat deck I mean a deck which main game plan is controling a game through combat (either blocking or rushing). This contains animalism combat, as well as other combat decks. Coming back to my examples from previous ECs, in Paris it was ABO ANI combat (without aid from bats), I don't remeber other finalists. In Warsaw it was CEL guns, POT ANI (no aid from bats) and Rock Cats, with POT ANI winning the finals.

a part of players argue that, with a pdf format, you will introduce many copies of the cards, and if just one is over designed, we will see plenty of that. If this card is unique or usable 1 each game, it solves the problem.

What does this has to do with .pdf format? Would it be any different if it will be printed? Should that mean that every card should be unique/ once per game just in case it's too good? Should we ban/ make unique/ once per game) all good cards and play only with tortured confesions and than ban tortured confesion because it will became too good?
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