file [Submission] Parry

19 May 2015 22:52 #71237 by Dorrinal
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This is a really cool card idea, but misdiagnoses the problems with melee weapons.

1. .44 Magnum doesn't need an additional card to "prevent" hit back. It's easy to forget just how powerful that maneuver is.

2. All melee weapons (okay, except for Femur of Toomler) cost 1 pool more than they are worth.

3. All melee weapons require an action to equip, which is more than they are worth.

Why is Weighted Walking Stick the best melee weapon? It's free and doesn't take an action. :)

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20 May 2015 01:13 #71240 by brandonsantacruz
Ok, what about:

Parry
Combat card
Burn Option
Requires a Melee Weapon
Strike: make a melee weapon strike at regular damage. Damage from the opposing minion's melee or hand strike this damage resolution is reduced to zero and if the opposing minion makes a hand or melee weapon strike they take one damage.

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20 May 2015 06:00 #71245 by direwolf
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2. All melee weapons (okay, except for Femur of Toomler) cost 1 pool more than they are worth.


Bastard Swords that cost 0 pool? Kine will be uncontested, cats and dogs will live together, weapons will deal +1 damage everywhere!

Ha ha ha

:tore: :pre: :tem: :aus: Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.

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20 May 2015 07:14 #71253 by direwolf
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2. All melee weapons (okay, except for Femur of Toomler) cost 1 pool more than they are worth.

3. All melee weapons require an action to equip, which is more than they are worth.


Action vs Pool cost. If the cost of a Bastard Sword is reduced by one, is it still worth the action?

If A minion untaps after successfully equipping a Bastard Sword, is it still worth one pool?

The third component is the card slot in your deck. Is it worth putting such a card in your deck? If you reduce the pool cost or include an untap clause, the card slot value increases.

Maybe there should be a "+1 Library" attribute, which increases the size of your legal library by 1. This could alleviate the "card slot" issue if you are considering a card when your deck is nearly complete. If a card is a "trifle" of an equipment, it shouldn't count against your library deck size.

Just sayin'

:tore: :pre: :tem: :aus: Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.

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20 May 2015 08:30 - 20 May 2015 08:37 #71254 by Lech
Replied by Lech on topic Re: [Submission] Parry
Parry
Combat/Reflex
Burn Option
Require a melee weapon.
[Combat] Prevent up to 3 damage from the opposing minion melee weapon or hand strike. If this minion have celerity, may prevent from others weapons too.
[Reflex] Cancel grapple card as is played.

Don't get hosed by grapple.
Usable by weenie combat (like dom weenies for example) and CEL sticks (where it's better as it can prevent gun strikes).
Usable with low amount of weighted walking sticks.

Main problem of melee weapons is getting the damn weapons in card effective manner, not what you can do with one. For example this card make melee weapons suck way less.

Concealed Melee Weapon
Obfuscate
Combat
Only usable before range is determined
obf: Equip first melee weapon from your library with cost 0 or equip melee weapon from your hand.
OBF: Equip with melee weapon from your library with cost below 2.

Yeah, it's tutor card, so what ? There are no melee weapons that deal agg damage with such cost so getting

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Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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20 May 2015 08:43 - 20 May 2015 09:27 #71255 by porphyrion
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The best and currently only Melee weapons I see in my playgroup is boring Weighted walking stick (most of the time with Target:Vitals)... Please, whatever you do, do not help these vanilla-sticks... (I see them everywhere from :vent: !vent! Grinders to Baal's bloody talons to Valkyries to allies (Ossian!).)
Rowan Ring is crazy in some amaranth-decks and Banshee actually has an interesting side-effect, I agree all the rest are just not worth the effort, or if they are saved from permanent non-use, others would surely become over-powered.
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