Submission: Salubri Package

Hello,

Some ideas regardind the Salubri Antitribu for the new Xpac :

1st : A master location
Name: Subway Forge
Cardtype: Master
Cost: :pool2:
Clan:

Card text:
Master: unique location.
During your master phase, you may tap this card and chose a ready untapped vampire you control. This vampire equip a non-unique melee weapon from your hand or library (requirements and cost apply as normal, shuffle afterward). This is not an action and cannot be blocked.

How does this card address a compelling game need?
Some love for melee weapons. Most of the time weapons doesn't worth the cost of tapping a vamp.

2nd : A master archetype
Name: Crusader
Cardtype: Master
Cost: none
Clan: none

Card text:
Master: archetype. Trifle.
Put this card on a vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire sucessfully strike with a melee weapon he or she gains 1 blood from the blood bank when the combat ends or 2 blood if this vampire is a Salubri Antitribu . A vampire can have only one archetype.

How does this card address a compelling game need?
No real need here, just a cool card and something to make melee weapons great again.

3rd : A vampire
Name: Qawiyya el-Gahduba
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Salubri Antitribu
Group: 5
Capacity: 9
Discipline: pre AUS FOR POT VAL
Advanced, Sabbat. Red List.
[merged] Archbishop of Jerusalem.

How does this card address a compelling game need?
In the book "Road of Heaven" she is described as the true leader of Jerusalem : the "Lioness of Jerusalem". That's why i think she deserved a title. The base version just give her superior Auspex to better fit the !Salubri intercept aspect.

Saupiquet wrote:

Name: Subway Forge
Cardtype: Master
Cost: :pool2:
Clan:
Card text:
Master: unique location.
During your master phase, you may tap this card and chose a ready untapped vampire you control. This vampire equip a non-unique melee weapon from your hand or library (requirements and cost apply as normal, shuffle afterward). This is not an action and cannot be blocked.

I'm sympathetic to the idea but I'm not sure it would work out that well - master cards unfortunately have to be really good to displace other master cards. (Given a deck has, say, 14-22 masters - a chunk of which is almost always pool gain - masters have to be really good.)

As a unique location, with one in the deck, in 50% of games it's in the bottom half of the deck - so does it come early enough to offset the pool cost? I'd be more interested to see something with a similar purpose work in a non-unique way. Perhaps a trifle that's instant, fetching a couple of weapons? Perhaps a non-master of some sort?

Saupiquet wrote:

Name: Crusader
Cardtype: Master
Card text:
Master: archetype. Trifle.
Put this card on a vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire sucessfully strike with a melee weapon he or she gains 1 blood from the blood bank when the combat ends or 2 blood if this vampire is a Salubri Antitribu . A vampire can have only one archetype.

The normal version feels okay but probably not good enough to displace other master cards that often. The !Salubri version feels a little bit too good, given that you can activate it with a Weighted Walking Stick. WWS + Taste of Vitae would be 4 blood a combat.

Saupiquet wrote:

Name: Qawiyya el-Gahduba
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Salubri Antitribu
Group: 5
Capacity: 9
Discipline: pre AUS FOR POT VAL
Advanced, Sabbat. Red List.
[merged] Archbishop of Jerusalem.

Seems very borderline for a 9 cap. The base version gets +2 strength and a built-in (if expensive) untap, which you're trading for an additional level of Auspex. Having AUS is good, but it feels like a pretty significant downgrade overall. Compare with, say, Sylvie Helgon who gets 10 points of disciplines, an interesting-if-weird special, and only the minor drawback of Sterile which isn't a significant problem. (Red List can at least in theory be activated by other players, whereas you can just decide not to put any breed in a deck.)

If you want to emphasise the intercept angle, maybe something like Anneke, though possibly weaker.

Anneke is "may attempt to block a vampire controlled by another Methuselah, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions", so maybe:

Or:


If the advanced version stayed as-is, I'd at least add something else to the merged version.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Perhaps a trifle that's instant, fetching a couple of weapons? Perhaps a non-master of some sort?

Kind of funny, that was my first idea. Master trifle with no cost.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

The normal version feels okay but probably not good enough to displace other master cards that often. The !Salubri version feels a little bit too good, given that you can activate it with a Weighted Walking Stick. WWS + Taste of Vitae would be 4 blood a combat.

Maybe change the second blood for an untap for 1 blood a la Dabbler ?

jamesatzephyr wrote:

If you want to emphasise the intercept angle, maybe something like Anneke, though possibly weaker.

The title open up : Eternal vigilance. So your second option seems ok.