file [Submission] Munther al-Aswad

22 Jul 2017 11:13 - 22 Jul 2017 19:33 #82721 by Lech
Name: Munther al-Aswad
Cardtype: Vampire
Capacity: 7
Group: 5
Discipline: :DOM::OBT::POT::pre:
Clan: Lasombra
Sabbat bishop: During your minion phase, you may reveal and move a card from your hand to the bottom of your library.

Art notes: Mid 30' Man with dark brown eyes and dark hair, conservatively dressed, with shadows lurking in the background.

World of Darkness reference: Cairo by Night

How does this card address a compelling game need?: Lasombra crypt lack proper mid-range titled sabbat vampires in both G2 and G4. I went for group 5 vampire, but going group 3 is also fair.

Warning: Spoiler!


Created by: Lech Jabłoński

:laso: :CEL: :DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cap8:
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
Last edit: 22 Jul 2017 19:33 by Lech.
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22 Jul 2017 12:46 #82723 by Boris The Blade
Solid vampire, nothing to change. His special gives you more choice than Blackhorse Tanner, but is only usable during your turn, so it should be fine.

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22 Jul 2017 13:45 - 22 Jul 2017 13:45 #82724 by jblacey
7 cap = 8 points.
7 disc = -7 points.
Bishop = -0.5 points.
Ability = -1.5 points.
Total: -1.

You could either raise him to an 8 cap for the extra point or reduce him by 1 discipline point. I will do more extensive check later.
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22 Jul 2017 14:14 #82725 by jblacey
For the complete reference Munther al-Aswad is on page 107-108 of Cario by Night and his picture is on 107.

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22 Jul 2017 16:35 - 22 Jul 2017 17:03 #82728 by jblacey
Just thinking about it, you could make the ability cost a blood that would give you +0.5 points and if you restrict to a card type you could get another +0.5 points.

As comparison here is Blackhorse Tanner

7 cap = 8 points
6 disc = -6 points
B. Hand = 0 points
Ability = -2 points
Total: 0.
Last edit: 22 Jul 2017 17:03 by jblacey.

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22 Jul 2017 19:30 #82730 by Lech
Replied by Lech on topic [Submission] Munther al-Aswad
Blackhorse tanner ability is way above this powerlevel. While this one feel good, it's nowhere Tanner multiple usage each turn. While he have :pre: and bishop title, additional capacity would make him less good, unless it also come with Archbishop of Cairo title ...

Name: Munther al-Aswad
Cardtype: Vampire
Capacity: 8
Group: 5
Discipline: :DOM::OBT::POT::pre:
Clan: Lasombra
Sabbat Archbishop of Cairo: During your minion phase, you may move a card from your hand to the bottom of your library.

On the other hand, according to source material, he have 4 Presence (like 4 OBT, POT and DOM) which means :PRE: ... and is generation 8, which directly translate to 7 capacity. Which means that

Name: Munther al-Aswad
Cardtype: Vampire
Capacity: 7
Group: 5
Discipline: :DOM::OBT::POT::PRE:
Clan: Lasombra
Sabbat bishop.

(Like Jessica, Toreador antitribu who share with him :OBT::PRE:)

Also, he would make perfect advanced vampire given his backstory:

Name: Munther al-Aswad
Cardtype: Vampire
Capacity: 8
Group: 5
Discipline: :DOM::OBT::POT::PRE:
Clan: Lasombra
Advanced,Sabbat bishop: Munther gets one optional press each combat.
MERGED: Archbishop of Cairo.

When it comes to basic version from post 1. I think that disciplines that goes above 3 are treated in different way, just like aforementioned Jessica:

8 point limit
8 points in disciplines
0.5 point in title ...

I came to the conclusion that disciplines above third comes at 0.75 price per level, and bishop/primogen title isn't really worth full 0.5 either due to lack of proper cards to support and making it harder to go anarch in case of revolt or other such things.

:laso: :CEL: :DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cap8:
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

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