file [Submission] Repentance

07 Feb 2019 18:31 #93332 by LivesByProxy
Repentance
+2 stealth Action :action:
Costs 1 :blood:
Requires an untitled Camarilla vampire.
This acting vampire becomes Sabbat. If their clan is Brujah :bruj: , Gangrel :gang: , Malkavian :malk:, Nosferatu :nosf:, Toreador :tore:, Tremere :trem:, or Ventrue :vent:, they become and are considered as their antitribu clan instead (!bruj!, !gang!, !malk!, !nosf!, !tore!, !trem!, or !vent!). If you control a ready Bishop or Archbishop, the acting vampire unlocks at the end of your turn. If you control a Cardinal or Seraph, unlock the acting vampire after action resolution instead.

Lore Reference: None :side:

Compelling Game Need: Allows for splashing a Camarilla vampire (or two) in an otherwise all Sabbat or all of a particular clan crypt (e.g. Nosferatu Antitribu). Clan Impersonation is too expensive IMO and doesn't effect Sect. Cards like Out Of The Frying Pan are too narrow IMO to be played. This card is a trifle tool-up action meant for tool-boxy style decks.

:gang: :CEL: :FOR: :PRO: :cap6: Gangrel. Noddist. Camarilla. Once each turn, LivesByProxy may burn 1 blood to lose Protean :PRO: until the end of the turn and gain your choice of superior Auspex :AUS:, Obfuscate :OBF:, or Potence :POT: for the current action.

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07 Feb 2019 19:08 - 07 Feb 2019 19:08 #93334 by narpassword
Replied by narpassword on topic [Submission] Repentance

LivesByProxy wrote: Repentance
+2 stealth Action :action:
Costs 1 :blood:
Requires an untitled Camarilla vampire.
Clan Impersonation is too expensive IMO and doesn't effect Sect.

10. Vampire Sects

Some of the various clans of vampires have grouped themselves into sects. Each sect represents clans with similar philosophies and goals. Each sect has its own codes of conduct and its own political structure and titles.

No matter what sect, a vampire cannot have more than one title. If a vampire with a title gains another, he loses the first title, even if the new title would be a demotion. If a vampire with a contested title (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) gains a title, he immediately yields the contested title.

Each vampire's sect is given in its card text, and that may override the default sect of that vampire's clan (see the lists in the following sections). If a vampire changes clans (by means of a Clan Impersonation card, for example) to a clan that belongs to a different sect, he changes sects as well.

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07 Feb 2019 22:08 #93339 by jamesatzephyr

LivesByProxy wrote: Compelling Game Need: Allows for splashing a Camarilla vampire (or two) in an otherwise all Sabbat or all of a particular clan crypt (e.g. Nosferatu Antitribu).


If you're only splashing one or two Camarilla Brujah vampires into a Sabbat !Brujah(*) deck, it's not clear that putting dedicated tech into the deck to make them switch clans is worthwhile. If you draw it and you don't have one of your splash vampires out, it's a dead draw. If you draw a splash vampire and really need them to be !Brujah but don't draw this, that's a problem - and how many of this are you putting in your deck for splash vampires? Even with 3/12 Brujah vampires in your crypt, you'll spend a lot of games not having any in your opening crypt.

It may work better if you have enough copies of Brujah vampires in your !Brujah deck that you do draw them very regularly - but that doesn't seem to be what you're aiming for.

If you want it to work for splash vampires, you probably want a card that's also usable by the Sabbat vampires for something worthwhile, so that they can usefully cycle it when you don't draw the splash vampires without giving you the urge to poke your eye out. Perhaps something along the lines of:
Fraternity
+2 stealth action
Requires an untitled Camarilla or Sabbat vampire.
If this acting vampire is Camarilla, put this card on this vampire. The attached vampire is Sabbat and if their underlying clan has a corresponding antitribu clan, the attached vampire is now that clan.
Alternatively(**), if this acting vampire is Sabbat, move two blood from the blood bank to a ready Sabbat vampire you control of the same clan.

Moving blood is a decent bread and butter ability that I default to when thinking about things like this, but it could be anything, really.

It's potentially much easier to drop a good few copies of something like that into a Sabbat deck, and not hate yourself so much when your splash vampires are at the bottom of your crypt.

(*) Change clans according to taste.

(**) i.e. you don't get both effects on the same action.

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07 Feb 2019 22:34 #93340 by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic [Submission] Repentance

jamesatzephyr wrote: If you draw it and you don't have one of your splash vampires out, it's a dead draw. If you draw a splash vampire and really need them to be !Brujah but don't draw this, that's a problem

Burn Option like Legacy is another solution.

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08 Feb 2019 00:22 #93344 by Kushiel
Replied by Kushiel on topic [Submission] Repentance

jamesatzephyr wrote: If you want it to work for splash vampires, you probably want a card that's also usable by the Sabbat vampires for something worthwhile, so that they can usefully cycle it when you don't draw the splash vampires without giving you the urge to poke your eye out.


I remain unconvinced of the need for Cam/Sab sect-switching cards, but Mozambique Allure is the card to look to for templating this sort of thing.

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08 Feb 2019 01:16 #93346 by jamesatzephyr

Kushiel wrote: I remain unconvinced of the need for Cam/Sab sect-switching cards, but Mozambique Allure is the card to look to for templating this sort of thing.


I'm also somewhat sceptical, in that my default assumption for almost everything like this is: "If you can get a vampire with the right abilities just from putting a different vampire in your crypt, probably do that, or live with it." Whatever it is - discipline cards, clan/sect changes, titles to some extent etc. It doesn't always apply, of course, it's just my default.

Mozambique Allure's option of pulling a vampire from the top of your crypt is also a decent bread-and-butter ability. I don't think that a similar card has to be a cookie-cutter copy, though.

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