exclamation-circle Submission: Species Speech

16 Mar 2019 22:47 - 22 Mar 2019 06:12 #94102 by Sydnelson
Name: Species Speech
Cardtype: :combat: Combat
Cost: none
Discipline: :ani: Animalism
Card text:
Grapple. Only usable at close range before strikes are chosen. A vampire can play only one Species Speech each round.
:ani: Opposing ally or younger vampire may not attempt to dodge or combat end this round. If another round of combat occurs, this vampire can burn one blood to set the range this round.
:ANI: As above, but the vampire need not be younger.

Art notes: A bunch of animals circling and holding the opposite minion, preventing him from running away or dodging.

World of Darkness reference:
Animalism Level 6: Species Speech: Speak telepathically with all animal of a species present whose eyes you meet.
VTM: The Players Guide - Pg. 76
VTM: The Players Guide Second Edition - Pg. 69
VTM: Guide to the Camarilla - Pg. 83
V20: Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition - Pg. 133


How does this card address a compelling game need?:
Several combat decks really sucks after play dozen of cards (carrion, terror frenzy, drawing out, horrid form, blood acid, flesh of marble, claws of death, bone spur, invoking the beast, devil channels, spirit claws, apparition and several other combat or strike cards) and the opposing minion can play only one magic card that end combat and make useless all cards you play. This card can be useful to improve several decks and clans like Ahrimanes, Ravnos, Gangrel, Akunanse, Tzimisce etc.

Created by: Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson

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17 Mar 2019 15:13 #94109 by Ratadin
Replied by Ratadin on topic Submission: Species Speech
I like the idea, but the problem is that this cards makes even more useless :POT:, and it makes Nosferatu (which few virtues was having immortal grapple along with carrion crowds) even more outclassed by any other clan.

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17 Mar 2019 15:27 - 17 Mar 2019 15:33 #94110 by Kraus
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I would be 100% against this card. Weenie animalism is already one of the most consistent combat sets in the game and S:CE is one decent option to have any sort of answer against it. Weenie :ani: is not the type that needs this.

However, the 'younger' clause intriques me actually. Weenie :ani: does not need help, but higher caps that would use :ani: could use it. I'd see a use in:

Species Speech
Grapple. Play in the grapple window yada yada.
:ani: This minion gains a Press this round.
:ANI: Opposing ally or younger vampire cannot strike to dodge or end combat etc.

It's a good point that Immortal Grapple should not be trivialized by new grapple-esque cards. It should remain the golden standard of... well, grapples.

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17 Mar 2019 15:51 #94111 by Sydnelson
If the problem is the weenie decks, just add a requirement.

Requires an vampire with capacity 4 or more.

Only to younger vampire make the card useless. Most of animalism deck use mid-cap vampires, and most of presence decks use mid/high cap vamps.

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17 Mar 2019 15:53 - 17 Mar 2019 15:56 #94112 by Kraus
Replied by Kraus on topic Submission: Species Speech
That could work.

I would love to see 9-11 caps get to use their animalism more. The 'younger' clause would still be usable in that range.

I see your point though. 4 or 5 are still within the 'weenie' range. See Bobby Lemon and friends.

I would go for cap 6+, like Sense the Savage Way.

That all being said, however, I would be very cautious giving Animalism S:CE counters.

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17 Mar 2019 16:18 #94113 by Sydnelson
The main idea is make normal animalism combat decks works. Ahrimanes, Ravnos, Gangrel and Akunanse don't have much to do against S:CE and I don't like create individual card to each clan like Death Seeker or Relentless Reaper.

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