file Polishing VtES - refining crypts and removing grouping

23 Feb 2017 09:49 - 23 Feb 2017 13:39 #80813 by elotar
Here I would try to play with the idea of what earlier was deemed impossible - to remove grouping rule as well as "squeeze" current 1475 crypt cards into 600, without breaking or even significantly changing the game.

Thought, that it can be done, come to me when one day I was looking at pile of basic discipline 2 caps and was thinking that there are actually no reason for them to exist as a different vampires (if we are not thinking about group 2 dom weenies :P ).

So then I've started to think about my thought process when choosing crypt and that many vampires just got no way to be in any. Obviously somebody will be thinking differently, so main feedback I'm looking for is "this vampire is left out but his discipline spread can be used in this obscure anarch deck".

So let's stop with the introduction and lets start with.

As a basis I've taken groups 3-4. There are 671 vampires (obviously imbueds have to go), so it's not far from our goal, but we have to add key archetype vampires from other groups.

Malkavians
There are 50 from both sects in the groups 3-4. 13*50=650 so we can't maintain this number to not fail our goal, so let's aim to 40.

2 cap
We need dem dork. There are 2 present
Cassandra Langely - she even got her own wiki page.
Bloodfeud - second must be subbat

3 cap
Zoe 3 AUS cel obf
Jackie 3 DEM
Midget 3 DEM obf pre
staples for respective weenies

Milo, The Invisibl 3 aus obf
Filler, but he is actually used quite often

4 cap
Idalia, Prophet of 4 AUS dem - staple
Roger Farnsworth 4 OBF aus - Black hand
Fabrizia Contreraz 4 dem pot archbishop
Adelaide Davis 4 aus dem obf - It's kind of expected to have 4 cap with 3 basics, but actually they are often quite useless
Roland Bishop 4 aus dom obf - M94
Florentina Lengaue 4 OBF aus
Sean Rycek 4 aus dem
fillers

5 cap
Uncle George 5 DEM aus dom obf
Persia, The Beauti 5 DEM aus obf
Apache Jones 5 DEM aus for obf
Zebulon 5 OBF aus dom pro
staples

Colonel, The 5 AUS cel dem obf Black hand + AUS

Victoria 5 AUS cel obf
General Perfidio D 5 AUS dem obf bishop
AUS

6 cap
Dolphin Black 6 AUS DEM OBF
Tony 6 AUS DEM dom obf
staples

Dr. Douglas Netchu 6 AUS OBF dem dom
We have to include this guy for flavour reasons I think

Ruth McGinley 6 DEM aus cel obf
Somebody use her for gun combat

Artemis 6 DEM OBF aus cel for
for

7 cap
Gilbert Duane 7 AUS DOM OBF
Greger Anderssen 7 AUS OBF dom pro
prince + M94

Stavros 7 AUS OBF PRE dem priscus

Marie Faucigny 7 AUS OBF dem tha archbishop
Kite 7 AUS DEM obf pre +1 intercept
Marge Khan 7 DEM OBF POT aus for
Black hand + for

8 cap
Anatole, Prophet o 8 AUS DEM OBF dom for
novel + for

White Lily 8 DEM OBF cel dom for
guns + black hand

Jason, The World's 8 AUS DEM OBF for

Theron 8 AUS DEM OBF for obt for

9 cap
Maris Streck 9 AUS OBF ani dem dom justicar
Alicia Barrows 9 AUS DEM OBF POT PRE archbishop
Santaleous 9 AUS CEL DEM OBF - abilities
Petaniqua 9 AUS DAI DEM OBF THA chi - filler

10 cap
Tryphosa 10 AUS DEM DOM OBF POT prince
Rachel Brandywine 10 AUS DEM OBF PRO ani prince
stapels

Unmada 10 AUS DEM OBF VIC cel for justicar
Actually because justicars and IC contests there is not a problem to have several in "one group"

Louhi 10 ANI AUS DEM OBF THA pro cardinal

11 cap
Lutz von Hohenzoll 11 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot inner circle
Leandro is just worse

Malks 94 are left out because I think they can be represented by mixed clan dom obf crypt. And generally I'm trying to left group 1 out because vampires there are not connected with the RPG lore.

Everything else I think is present:
22/18 camarilla sabbat split
fair number of titles of both sects
crypt for DEM and AUS weenies, as well as midcap kindred spirits decks, M94
all staple vampires
no more "dial a crypt" for any archetype than in present groupings
intercept guns angle
for angle
3 black hand vampires

Looks like it's working. ;)
Have I missed something?

Update: I think it'll be possible to put M94 there. Added

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23 Feb 2017 10:56 #80814 by Ankha
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It's not a bad idea, but I see a main drawback: it becomes very hard to add new vampires, especially new vampires with a special ability that opens possibilities for a new archetype.
For instance, you removed the Ankou (perhaps because he's redundant discipline-wise with the other 10-caps). Though I don't use him, I know there were decks built around him.
He couldn't be added in your system, could he?

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23 Feb 2017 12:45 #80816 by elotar
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It's not a bad idea, but I see a main drawback: it becomes very hard to add new vampires, especially new vampires with a special ability that opens possibilities for a new archetype.


I don't think that in general idea with making deck defying vampire abilities is great - but for this "exercise" it doesn't matter, I'll try to include all what is presently available. Obviously "making everything that other deck can make better, but using original crypt or rare discipline" not looks like good justification to me.

For instance, you removed the Ankou... I know there were decks built around him.


Can you show me some playable decklist build around his ability? He looks "fun" but seems totally like 10 cap Morel to me - you need to "catch" somebody when he hunts and then make a succesfull (D) action :S. If there is a reason to include him we can switch any "filler".

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23 Feb 2017 12:59 #80817 by elotar
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M94 added

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23 Feb 2017 13:10 #80818 by Boris The Blade
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Victoria is missing. I would make room for Marge Khan to keep the :dem::pot: deck alive.

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23 Feb 2017 13:35 - 23 Feb 2017 13:36 #80819 by elotar
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Victoria is missing.
I would make room for Marge Khan to keep the :dem::pot: deck alive.

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Both added. Colonel and Theron removed.

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