file TWDA Analysis

23 Jul 2018 09:17 - 23 Jul 2018 09:18 #89222 by elotar
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I think here is a place to remind community, that idea to ban Dreams, not because of power level or some annoying effect, but to open 2-3 slots for other masters in like half of archetypes, exists.

;)

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Last edit: 23 Jul 2018 09:18 by elotar.

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26 Jul 2018 12:27 #89362 by skimflux
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I've updated the files - some corrections were made (Ghouled > Ghouled Street Thug, Conceal > Concealed Weapon, etc). You can download them from the links earlier in the thread.

I also kept tinkering and built a more complete data model, so now I can get results such as Cards used by Set:

VTES100%100%
Camarilla Edition93%53%
Jyhad92%74%
Third Edition92%72%
Bloodlines90%53%
Sabbat War90%56%
Tenth Anniversary90%80%
Gehenna88%64%
Nights of Reckoning85%58%
Black Hand84%50%
Lords of the Night80%64%
Sabbat79%57%
Kindred Most Wanted78%55%
Anarchs77%45%
Keepers of Tradition77%60%
Legacy of Blood76%48%
Heirs to the Blood75%55%
Danse Macabre75%75%
Ancient Hearts74%37%
Final Nights74%41%
Promo73%46%
Sword of Caine73%48%
Twilight Rebellion73%45%
Ebony Kingdom70%45%
Dark Sovereigns66%54%
The Unaligned64%64%
Anthology50%50%
Anarchs Unbound44%44%
Lost Kindred22%22%

This table shows the percentage of Library cards (I'll do Crypt cards eventually) introduced in a certain set that have been used in tournament decks. The first column is for the whole TWDA, the second is for the past 5 years - so you could say the first number is the overall impact of the expansion on tournament decks, and the second it's 'staying power'.

I think the fact that the Jyhad base set remains usable reflects that there's been little power creep over the years - you would expect these cards to be replaced by better versions over the years otherwise. All 5 of the VTES cards also remain relevant (mainly Archon Investigation though).
On the opposite side, the initial expansions: Dark Sovereigns, Ancient Hearts, and Final Nights have quite poor ratios by either count.
The VEKN expansions have fairly poor usage ratios, but I hesitate to read too much into it given the circunstances.

I still have some cleanup to do on the file, I'll share it again once I'm done.

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26 Jul 2018 12:37 #89364 by DJHedgehog
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Dark Sovereigns, Ancient Hearts and Final Nights are all really really bad. Like made by a monkey throwing darts kind of bad. Makes sense to me they'd be under-represented.

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26 Jul 2018 15:35 #89367 by Mewcat
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How do reprints factor into this? I feel like they should be excluded.

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26 Jul 2018 17:02 #89371 by skimflux
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How do reprints factor into this? I feel like they should be excluded.


For each card I only count the first set it was printed on - so reprints count towards the original set.

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26 Jul 2018 17:30 - 26 Jul 2018 17:49 #89373 by skimflux
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Dark Sovereigns, Ancient Hearts and Final Nights are all really really bad. Like made by a monkey throwing darts kind of bad. Makes sense to me they'd be under-represented.


DS and AH were pretty badly designed - AH gave us the original Tomb of Rameses III, Return to Innocence, Protect Thine Own, but also Mummify - and then FN was mostly the result of balancing against the previous cards.
At the time there was a general belief that the independents were underpowered just because they had too few cards to choose from, so the new cards were designed to the same power level (despite some protests from playtesters...)

Anyway, this only applies to Library cards - crypt-wise DS is actually the best expansion ever:

SetAllTime5 yrs
Sabbat War100%72%
Dark Sovereigns98%82%
Sabbat97%80%
Legacies of Blood96%81%
Final Nights95%58%
Bloodlines95%55%
Nights of Reckoning95%75%
Jyhad94%64%
Ancient Hearts91%64%
Black Hand91%70%
Camarilla Edition90%66%
Third Edition89%76%
Gehenna86%50%
Sword of Caine84%68%
Kindred Most Wanted84%54%
Lords of the Night83%63%
Keepers of Tradition83%64%
Anarchs80%61%
Twilight Rebellion80%50%
Ebony Kingdom75%65%
Heirs to the Blood74%45%
Danse Macabre68%68%
Promo67%60%
The Unaligned47%47%
Anthology20%20%
Anarchs Unbound13%13%
Lost Kindred9%9%

...and it has Arika in it! :)

(SW is higher at 100%, but it has fewer new crypt cards and a lower ratio over the past 5 years, DS is better overall)


[EDIT] I was curious on what were those missing 2% from DS - turns out it's Darius Styx, the only DS vampire not to feature on the TWDA. Maybe Hugh should have a crack at it? ;)
Last edit: 26 Jul 2018 17:49 by skimflux.

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