PCK and VTES

I subscribe to the Extrala point of view.

Lambach wrote:

If the VEKN set is really bad, its tourney legality would be very bad for the game. The PCK VEKN dispute arose from disagreement over how to design the new cards. It may be the case that PCK had the better ideas.

I think it would have helped if PCK were able to accept criticism from playtesters e.g. 'Can you have less than 12 lines of text per card please' or 'Inquisitors don't seem like an integral part of the game please can we put them away for now' without overreacting in a large way or dismissing the views of the majority of playtesters by finding the 10% of comments that matched their view.

I find it quite distressing that a lot of the PCK arguments against the VEKN is that there was no process or that process wasn't followed properly. I'm not sure how a 30+ page R1 playtest report that collates the views of the playtesters and is then used by the design team and design team leader to produce R2 isn't following process.

Above all this game is for the players and although they won't all agree one very single point it is important to respect their view when designing cards for them.

@Johannes

With all due respect, may I remind you that each post you make (maybe except rules and decks sections) is the official VEKN voice from you as the Chairman. You are a public figure. Therefore, the fact that you like or don't like what people say is irrelevant. If you're not good at public speaking then find someone who is (everyone has certain talents, nobody has all of them, simple as that).

If you want a discussion, there's a perfect opportunity for that during this year's EC. We can also hear from the PCK representative during that discussion, I bet that a lot of people are interested.
If not, we can always leave everything as it is, I'm sure it's all fine and dandy.

Just so we're clear - I have nothing against you on the personal level, as:
a) I don't know you enough to like or dislike you
b) all my dealings with you in the past (during the time when I was the Prince of Warsaw and the Polish scene was slowly growing) have been more than satisfactionary.

I simply don't like what I see on this forum. As a Chairman it is your duty to end the conflict, strengthen the community and work for the best possible outcome for the game. This is all I expect of you as a VEKN member.

Why do we have to open another thread? It's just useless. We need to stay focus on the future of OUR community and OUR (great but still officially dead) game.
The most important thing for everyone should be bury the whole conflict under the ground and start everything from the beginning. And if it won't work, start again...
We can't split our community. That's all I have to say by now.

Szewski wrote:

Why do we have to open another thread? It's just useless. We need to stay focus on the future of OUR community and OUR (great but still officially dead) game.
The most important thing for everyone should be bury the whole conflict under the ground and start everything from the beginning. And if it won't work, start again...
We can't split our community. That's all I have to say by now.

I actually just intended for this to be a poll. Rather than say a lot more about it, maybe by presenting it this way the community can make it's feelings about this debacle really understood. Let those involved decide what to do with it (or not).