file Re: Strix superior and the edge

09 Dec 2011 18:54 #17899 by Xaddam
Methuselah A bleeds for 1, Methuselah B plays superior Strix. Does Methuselah A gain the edge?

Name: Strix
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Striga
Burn Option
[str] +1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. If this vampire successfully blocks this action, he or she untaps at the end of the action. [str] is not a Discipline.
[STR] Only usable when a bleed against you is successful. The bleed burns no pool. Instead, this vampire taps and enters combat with the acting minion.

From the rulebook section 6.1.1 Bleed:
"[...] Additionally, if the action succeeds and the bleed amount is one or more, then the bleed is successful and the controller of the acting minion gets the Edge, taking it from the Methuselah who has it."

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Prince of Örebro

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09 Dec 2011 20:40 #17922 by Ankha

Methuselah A bleeds for 1, Methuselah B plays superior Strix. Does Methuselah A gain the edge?

Name: Strix
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Striga
Burn Option
[str] +1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. If this vampire successfully blocks this action, he or she untaps at the end of the action. [str] is not a Discipline.
[STR] Only usable when a bleed against you is successful. The bleed burns no pool. Instead, this vampire taps and enters combat with the acting minion.

From the rulebook section 6.1.1 Bleed:
"[...] Additionally, if the action succeeds and the bleed amount is one or more, then the bleed is successful and the controller of the acting minion gets the Edge, taking it from the Methuselah who has it."


IANPB but if the bleed was successful, it means the action succeeded and the bleed amount was 1 or more.
Then, the fact that the Methuselah burns no pool for that successful bleed doesn't mean the bleed is now unsuccessful.
The bleeding Methuselah gains the Edge.

Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

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10 Dec 2011 12:56 #17966 by RaptorNut
I am also not Pascal, but if no pool is lost during a bleed, then a bleed is not successful. Meth A does NOT gain the edge - what he/she gains instead is a fight with Meth B's vampire.

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10 Dec 2011 13:21 #17968 by Haze
It's worded almost exactly like Spying Mission. you play it "when the bleed is successful" so it's after the opportunity to bounce, but suddenly it's not successful anymore because it's for 0. No edge gained.

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10 Dec 2011 14:06 #17970 by henrik

I am also not Pascal, but if no pool is lost during a bleed, then a bleed is not successful. Meth A does NOT gain the edge - what he/she gains instead is a fight with Meth B's vampire.

It's worded almost exactly like Spying Mission. you play it "when the bleed is successful" so it's after the opportunity to bounce, but suddenly it's not successful anymore because it's for 0. No edge gained.


Superior Strix is only playable when the bleed is successful. And the rulebook says that the edge is moved when the bleed is successful (which is required for superior Strix to be played) and the bleed amount is for more than 0. Superior Strix has a different wording than superior Spying Mission in that Spying Mission actually states that the bleed is unsuccessful.

None of the cards actually reduce the bleed amount, but rather the amount of pool being burnt.

Spying Mission
Type: Action Modifier
Requires: Obfuscate
[obf] +1 stealth.
[OBF] Only usable when a bleed would be successful. The bleed burns no pool; it is unsuccessful. Instead, put this card on the acting vampire. The next time this vampire successfully bleeds the same Methuselah, burn this card for +2 bleed.

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10 Dec 2011 16:49 - 10 Dec 2011 16:50 #17977 by jamesatzephyr
Scratch that.
Last edit: 10 Dec 2011 16:50 by jamesatzephyr.

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