Siren's Lure vs. Unleash Hell's Fury (also Remover)

How does Siren's Lure interact with a block attempt from Unleash Hell's Fury ?

Is UHF tapped? (notice that it can't block, which would make it cease to be a minion, before it was tapped by the SL text)

Does it matter that UHF is tapped, i.e. can it block while tapped?

What happens if UHF is tapped by Remover ? Can it still block?


Is there a comprehensive Siren's Lure interaction list/FAQ?
Here are all of LSJ's posts that include the term.

Adonai wrote:

How does Siren's Lure interact with a block attempt from Unleash Hell's Fury ?

UHF's block attempt fails, and the modifying vampire taps.

Adonai wrote:

Is UHF tapped? (notice that it can't block, which would make it cease to be a minion, before it was tapped by the SL text)

UHF isn't tapped. As soon as it ceases to block, it ceases to be "that minion".

Adonai wrote:

Does it matter that UHF is tapped, i.e. can it block while tapped?

It can block while tapped: [LSJ 20100210] .

Adonai wrote:

What happens if UHF is tapped by Remover ? Can it still block?

Yes, per the link above.

Adonai wrote:

Is there a comprehensive Siren's Lure interaction list/FAQ?
Here are all of LSJ's posts that include the term.

Is there anything unclear with Siren's Lure?

>>Is there anything unclear with Siren's Lure?

Yes, I'm a bit unclear as to how Siren's Lure interacts with Psyche!, Form of Mist, and other copies of itself. I'm sure I've seen the ruling before from LSJ on rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad, but I can't find it.

Please elaborate when you have the time.

-- Brian

islandofyiaros wrote:

>>Is there anything unclear with Siren's Lure?

Yes, I'm a bit unclear as to how Siren's Lure interacts with Psyche!, Form of Mist, and other copies of itself. I'm sure I've seen the ruling before from LSJ on rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad, but I can't find it.

There's something about not being able to queue up more combats beyond one past the current one. I forget exactly. Ask Pascal.

BenPeal wrote:

islandofyiaros wrote:

>>Is there anything unclear with Siren's Lure?

Yes, I'm a bit unclear as to how Siren's Lure interacts with Psyche!, Form of Mist, and other copies of itself. I'm sure I've seen the ruling before from LSJ on rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad, but I can't find it.

There's something about not being able to queue up more combats beyond one past the current one. I forget exactly. Ask Pascal.

Ah, that one went quite unnoticed... Thank you, wowlijetgold for bringing it back !

So, the general ruling is: You can't queue a combat if there is already one queued right after the current one.

This basically means:
- You can't play Psyche! if someone (usually the opponent) played Blissful Agony (unless you've dodged).
- You can, however, play Telepathic Tracking on Blissful Agony, as it doesn't create a new combat.
- You can't play Psyche! if someone (usually the opponent) played Illusions of the Kindred (unless you've dodged).

Now, Siren's Lure does queue a combat, but after the action's resolution. So we need to consider the following situations:

- Can I play two Siren's Lures on the same action? => No. [LSJ 20020123]

- Can I play Psyche! during the action's resolution (and before the Siren's Lure combat) ? => Yes. [LSJ 20090324]

- Can I play Psyche! after the Siren's Lure combat? => Yes.

- If I play Siren's Lure, and then am block, and in the resulting combat, play Form of Mist and continue the action, when does the Siren's Lure's combat start? => After the last resolution, and not as soon as the first resolution is reached. That is: You continue your action, and after it's successful / finally blocked, Siren's Lure kicks in. (this is probably a new ruling, but it stands there for coherence with the other rulings).

- Can I play sup' Form of Mist in the Siren's Lure combat? => Yes, but you won't be able to continue the action (Siren's Lure states we are now past resolution).