file Hide the heart, timing question

18 Jun 2014 00:38 #63197 by Jesper
Vampire A with one blood bleeds with a govern bleed.
No one blocks, action is right now sucessfull
Vampire A pays the one blood, due to the action being succesfull
The impulse now goes around before damage are taken - this window need to be there to play e.g. Major Boon
Vampire B plays a Hide the heart in this window
Vampire A cannot pay, due to having already paid the one he have


Question one, is there anything preventing this play?

Question two, if not, what would then happen, is the action succesfull or not?

/Jesper

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18 Jun 2014 03:56 #63202 by Ylly
Inferior valeren says:
The action ends (unsuccessfully). The acting minion may burn 1 blood to cancel this card as it is played.

The vampire A in your example has no blood, cannot burn a blood to cancel Hide the Heart, so according to the card text, the action should be unsuccessful.

Is that correct?

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18 Jun 2014 04:35 #63205 by Ankha

Vampire A with one blood bleeds with a govern bleed.
No one blocks, action is right now sucessfull
Vampire A pays the one blood, due to the action being succesfull
The impulse now goes around before damage are taken - this window need to be there to play e.g. Major Boon
Vampire B plays a Hide the heart in this window

If the action is successful and has resolved (pay cost, apply effect), it's too late to make it fail.

Correct sequence is:
A bleeds with Govern the Unaligned
B declines to block.
A declines to play modifiers.
B plays Hide the Heart.
A can pay 1 blood to cancel Hide the Heart
- if he does and doesn't gain blood until the end of the action, the action fizzles
- if he doesn't, action ends unsuccessfully per Hide the Heart's cardtext.

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18 Jun 2014 06:43 #63207 by jamesatzephyr

Question one, is there anything preventing this play?


Yes, the rules.

Action modifiers and reaction cards can be played at any time before resolution during an action (unless otherwise noted on card text), with the acting Methuselah getting the opportunity to play first.


If the action is successful, you are no longer "before resolution".

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