file Seeds of Corruption clarifications

19 Jun 2015 00:26 #71792 by Pascek
Sorry about the confusion guys.

Based on the ruling:

"Special ability" includes all text except terms (i.e., it doesn't include Clan, Sect, Title, Unique (or not), Blood Cursed, Circle, Flight, Infernal, Scarce, Slave, Sterile, Vulnerability, Anarch, Black Hand, Seraph, Red List). (note that this only restricts things that are possible only by special ability - things that a special ability makes impossible are still impossible.) [LSJ 19970801] [LSJ 20011211] [LSJ 20040120] [RTR 20040501]

1 - Will a vampire with +1 stregth, +1 Bleed or +1 Intercept lose his ability if he/she has a Seeds of Corruption on him/her?

2 - Does Mimir master special , Count Germaine restriction for weapons and such examples be still active even under Seeds of Corruption effect?

Thank you.

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19 Jun 2015 05:26 - 19 Jun 2015 05:27 #71793 by jamesatzephyr

1 - Will a vampire with +1 stregth, +1 Bleed or +1 Intercept lose his ability if he/she has a Seeds of Corruption on him/her?


Yes. Pascal gives strength as an example in [FZD 20110428]

What is important to remember, however, is that Seeds don't affect the limitations that might exist for a given cardtext. Example: Beast, with Seeds of Corruption, loses his rush ability, his +1 strength, but still can't play action cards or have equipment or retainers.
Blood hunt referenda still can't be called on a Muazziz with Seeds of Corruption

2 - Does Mimir master special , Count Germaine restriction for weapons and such examples be still active even under Seeds of Corruption effect?


Things that were impossible stay impossible, even if the impossible part is for someone else.

[LSJ 20040505] (in response to an RTR that tweaked Seeds):

>>Things that are only possible because of card text are not possible.
>>Things that card text makes impossible are still impossible.
>
>
> Nit picks:
>
> "Blood hunts cannot be called on Muaziz."
>
> Blood hunts are impossible to call on Muaziz, by card text.
> Therefore, with Seeds of Corruption, it is still impossible to call
> a Blood Hunt on Muaziz.
>
> "Younger Tremere cannot block Aisling."
>
> Therefore it is still impossible for Younger Tremere to block Aisling.
>
> etc.
>
> Obviously this is not your intent, but Seeds is very confusing as it
> is currently ruled (even with this latest May 1 ruling).

It is the RT's intent, if not the original designer(s)'(s) intent.


So the precedent set is that much like some vampires can't block Aisling:

- minions opposing the Count can't use weapons
- Mimir can't be the target of (other people's) master cards.
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