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29 Mar 2018 18:37 #86079 by Killiam
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Is Karen Suadela still considered a Prince while Fall of the Camarilla is in play?

Karen Suadela
Capacity: 7
Group: 5
Camarilla Prince of Houston: Gehenna cards do not affect Karen while she is a prince. She gets +1 stealth on undirected actions.

Fall of the Camarilla
Event
Gehenna. Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
Requires at least three other Gehenna cards in play. There is no Camarilla. Any Camarilla vampire is considered Independent instead.

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29 Mar 2018 19:22 #86081 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Karen Suadela and Fall of the Camarilla

Is Karen Suadela still considered a Prince while Fall of the Camarilla is in play?

Yes.
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29 Mar 2018 19:29 #86082 by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Karen Suadela and Fall of the Camarilla
Interestingly enough this was not asked in the large Karen Suadela vs Gehenna events post . I cannot find a ruling on it either.

My take:
She's is immune to the "[a]ny Camarilla vampire is considered Independent instead" if she's a Prince.

The previous sentence, however, does not target vampires, it targets a sect. One cannot be a Prince unless you are Camarilla, but there is no Camarilla, so Karen cannot be a Prince.

Therefore, if Fall of the Camarilla comes into play, Karen will be affected.

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29 Mar 2018 19:30 #86083 by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Karen Suadela and Fall of the Camarilla
Well, Ankha and I cross-posted, but I am confused about this. Is my reasoning faulty?

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30 Mar 2018 15:09 #86097 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Karen Suadela and Fall of the Camarilla

>> b) If Fall of the Camarilla is played, does her Prince-ness make her
>> immune to it, or does its "There is no Camarilla" make her not a Prince?
>
> Hmm ... An interesting one. It would seem to me that there being no
> more Camarilla means she is no longer a Prince, and thus her ability
> cannot protect her to keep her title, since the ability wouldn't
> nullify the "There is no Camarilla" global effect in the first place.
She is immune to it (and remains a Camarilla Prince) as long as she remains a
Prince. If she loses the Prince title, she loses the immunity and immediately
becomes Independent.

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30 Mar 2018 15:37 #86099 by kschaefer
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I didn't find that one. Thanks.

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