file Anarch + Independent Title?

03 May 2018 14:41 #86412 by brandonsantacruz
Please help this crusty old Methuselah remember, if you are anarch can you gain an independent title?

I.e. if you become an anarch with either base or advanced Kemintiri and then become merged, what happens?

Kemintiri adv
[aus][dom][OBF]
[SER][THA]
Follower of Set
Capacity: 10
Group: 2
Advanced, Independent. Red List: +1 stealth.
[MERGED] Kemintiri has 3 votes (titled). She can play minion cards that require Camarilla, Ventrue, and/or a justicar title as if she met that/those requirement(s).

Kemintiri
[aus][dom][OBF]
[SER][THA]	Follower of Set
Capacity: 10
Group: 2
Independent: Kemintiri gets +1 bleed and +1 stealth when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a Ventrue. Any Ventrue controlled by another Methuselah can enter combat with Kemintiri as a (D) action. Kemintiri can enter combat with any Ventrue controlled by another Methuselah as a +1 stealth (D) action.

Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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03 May 2018 21:30 #86425 by jamesatzephyr

brandonsantacruz wrote: Please help this crusty old Methuselah remember, if you are anarch can you gain an independent title?


So:

a) Yes, you can be anarch and have an independent title. However, the only title that is an independent title is Liaison. More on that in a second.

b) If you pay attention over here: www.vekn.net/2-uncategorised/385-vampire-elder-kindred-network-newsletter-november-2017 , you'll see that Anarch and Independent will probably become separate sects, rather than Anarch being an extra overlay on the Independent sect. So that won't be possible then.

c) The titles that are on independent vampires like "2 votes (titled)" are not tied to the independent sect, or the vampire's clan, in the way that Priscus is tied to Sabbat or Toreador Justicar is tied to Toreador and Camarilla. The title is just tied to that vampire being that vampire. If one of those vampires becomes Camarilla, it still has that title. If one of those vampires becomes a Laibon Toreador, it still has that title. You would lose the title if that vampire gained another title (as normal), but it doesn't depend on sect or clan. [LSJ 20010714]

LSJ wrote: The named Camarilla titles are exclusive to the Camarilla. [10.1]
Unnamed titles are not exclusive to any particular clan or sect.


brandonsantacruz wrote: I.e. if you become an anarch with either base or advanced Kemintiri and then become merged, what happens?


Her 3 vote title kicks in, and nothing is stopping her having it or using it.

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04 May 2018 00:10 #86429 by brandonsantacruz
Is she still anarch after she merges? She might want to do thinks that require that she's an anarch.

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04 May 2018 00:38 #86431 by kschaefer
Yes. She's still Independent when she merges so effects that remove Anarch-ness would not kick in.
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