Retainers inflicting damage =/= Environmental?

jamesatzephyr wrote:

drnlmza wrote:

There are other cards that reference damage from retainers - for example: Eyes of Blade or Carolina Vález
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Clarifying exactly which effects apply for these cases seems sensible.

Environmental damage generated by a retainer card could easily be distinguished from environmental damage generated by a combat card (Carrion Crows), a master card (Spawning Pool), while still both being environmental.

They could be distinguished, but using the same word for two different things is not what I am aiming at. I find it clearer to distinguish explicitly damage that have no source ("environmental") from damage that come from a source, including a retainer.
That's why all damage-dealing retainers (such as Wolf Companion "When the minion with this retainer is in combat, the opposing minion takes 1 damage...") has been changed to indicate the damage come from the retainer explicitely.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

As I say, Ankha is entitled to make any ruling he wants. However, I would prefer rulings were made from a position of understanding what the ruling actually achieved, rather than knee-jerk re-writing of card text based on facts which aren't true.

There will be "disruptive" changes at some point, for the better. In that case, it still works how it used to work.

Ankha wrote:

1/ This has changed (implicitely through card text). The damage inflicted by Vengeful Spirit is inflicted by the retainer: this means that a vampire who is immune to damage dealt by wraiths, or retainers, would take no damage from the Vengeful Spirit. (Wolf Companion will be changed accordingly).
2/ Damage from minions hasn't changed.
3/ Environmental damage is now reserved to effects that have no specific source (Carrion Crows).

I've edited the General Ruling section.

REVERSAL: 1/ is still true, but considered environmental (as before): it's environmental damage with a non-minion source
3/ is not true anymore: "Environmental" means "not inflicted by a minion" (as before)

Reasons: www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/79506-clarifying-environmental-damage#104016