Mata Hari + Call the Great Beast
1. Specifically does she burn or not?
2. If not, can rest of the card trigger or is it tied to 'burning this Baali'?
And please no snarky, I know this can be done much easier with Soul Gem and real Baali I'm just curious how this works from rules perspective.
Call the Great Beast
+1 stealth action.
Put this card on the acting Baali and put X ritual counters on it, where X is the capacity of this Baali. This Baali may put a ritual counter on this card as a +1 stealth action. When this card has more than 10 ritual counters, burn this Baali and choose three Disciplines. This card becomes a unique clanless independent infernal vampire with 9 capacity, 4 strength and 3 bleed. The Great Beast has the chosen three Disciplines at superior. Move 9 blood to him from the blood bank. The Great Beast can enter combat with any ready minion controlled by another Methuselah as a action and can prevent 1 damage each combat.
Independent. Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that required sect and/or clan.
So...you need not bring her capacity to 11 to play the card as she can put ritual counters on it. The idea was pretty solid though that you bring her capacity to 11, play Call the Great Beast and Mata Hari would not burn.
I could be wrong though. Also I have no authority over rules calls so my reply is purely discussion related.
“I don’t have cross table buddies. I have a prey I haven’t gotten around to yet.” — Shockwave (English VtES Player).
Mata can play cards, but she does not meet the requirements of being Baali for the purposes of the card text "check".
This is my interpretation, and will most likely not be correct
Thin_Blood wrote: Myself, I would say that Mata Hari can add ritual counters to Call the Great Beast as the card theoretically references that the Baali that put it into play is the one that can add the ritual counters.
That second part is correct, which is why the first one isn't. Since adding counters requires the Baali who put it into play, and Mata Hari ceases to be that Baali as soon as the action resolves, she can't add counters to it.
Thin_Blood wrote: This also means that once it has 10 ritual counters and becomes The Great Beast that Mata Hari does indeed burn.
Well, 11 counters, but otherwise correct.
Here's what LSJ had to say about this topic, though he didn't answer the question about adding counters to the card after it's in play:
LSJ on Mata Hari playing Call the Great Beast: newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/2005-11/msg01470.html
If she is less than 11, the card comes with counters, but she won't be able to add counters since she plays the card as a Baali, but is unable to use it as a Baali.