file Vivienne Géroux and anarh cards

31 Jul 2018 11:56 #89479 by Serazahr
As it stands, Vivienne Géroux cannot play any of the anarch multidiscipline cards. However she requires an anarch Vampire to put into play. Meaning that, if you are in fact playing an anarch deck, her ability to use disciplines is massivly weakened, due to her inability to play staples like Diversion.

Any chance, that we can get this unobtrusive errata to make her in line with Grey Thorne who can play anarch cards and therefore make her an interesting choice for an anarch allies approach?

Vivienne Géroux
Ally
1 Pool
Unique ghoul with 2 life. 2 strength, 1 bleed. Requires an anarch.
Vivienne can play cards requiring basic Celerity or Fortitude as a vampire. Vampires you control get -1 stealth on political actions. A vampire you control can give control of Vivienne to another Methuselah as a (D) action. A vampire controlled by another Methuselah can steal Vivienne as a (D) action.

Grey Thorne
Ally
2 Blood
Unique ghoul with 2 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed. Requires an anarch.
Grey may play cards that require Celerity [cel] or Potence [pot] as an anarch vampire. During your untap phase, if Grey has only 1 life, any ready anarch may burn a blood to add 1 life to him.

Diversion
Combat
Celerity
Fortitude
Thaumaturgy
Requires a ready anarch.
[cel] Gain one additional strike.
[for] Prevent up to 2 damage.
[tha] Strike: ranged. Steal 1 blood with an optional maneuver.

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31 Jul 2018 13:22 #89480 by Bloodartist
Since Vivienne says "basic Celerity OR Fortitude", I assume she can't play inferior forced march either?

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31 Jul 2018 13:38 #89482 by Ankha

Bloodartist wrote: Since Vivienne says "basic Celerity OR Fortitude", I assume she can't play inferior forced march either?

Correct.

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31 Jul 2018 14:49 - 31 Jul 2018 14:52 #89483 by mjvtes521

Serazahr wrote: As it stands, Vivienne Géroux cannot play any of the anarch multidiscipline cards. However she requires an anarch Vampire to put into play. Meaning that, if you are in fact playing an anarch deck, her ability to use disciplines is massively weakened, due to her inability to play staples like Diversion.
Any chance, that we can get this unobtrusive errata to make her in line with Grey Thorne who can play anarch cards and therefore make her an interesting choice for an anarch allies approach?



I wholeheartedly support this errata request. I have played tons of VTES since Vivienne was printed and have NEVER seen her played, like ever. Because she clearly sucks. Just need to add one word to save Vivienne from the wallpaper pile. Do it now before the Anthology set is reprinted: change the sentence to, "Vivienne can play cards requiring basic Celerity or Fortitude as an anarch vampire." She still requires an anarch, can be stolen by any vampire and reduces the stealth of all of your vampire's political actions, so she still would be no better than Grey Thorne. Keep her cost the same. Save Vivienne from the wallpaper/trash pile! Do it! Do it now!!!
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31 Jul 2018 15:02 #89485 by Bloodartist
It would make her way better that is sure. Currently she is very niche.

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If you want to go with me, refuse the light"
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31 Jul 2018 16:57 #89488 by ReverendRevolver

Bloodartist wrote: It would make her way better that is sure. Currently she is very niche.


I've brought this up before, and nobody objected to the idea. Grey Thorne already has the text, and Diversion decks already are "solid" not game breaking. I wasn't part of playtest for AU, but I wonder why nobody threw it out there then. She cant forced march and can only guardian vigil for :for: or :cel: not both. But..... there are many cards to erratta slightly to make playable if they do that. Maybe it's all on hold?

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