Questions about Marie-Pierre

jamesatzephyr wrote:

mjvtes521 wrote:

beslin wrote:

Can Marie-Pierre special stop efect of Rotschreck to another Samedi going to torpor?

No way.

Way.

mjvtes521 wrote:

It’s not stopping that combat from ending nor starting a new combat involving the vampire that got Rotschrecked. It’s just starting a new combat with Marie-Pierre after combat has ended.

Which is also true if someone plays Fast Reaction. Which interrupts Rotschreck's resolution, nullifying the "go to torpor" effect (but not the effects that have already happened, nor the in-play effect).

[RTR 01-MAY-2002]

Non-existant user wrote:

Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the
single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a
new combat is started. (Changes: Rotschreck followed by Fast Reaction or
Psyche! will nullify the torpor effect.) Note that this doesn't apply to
end combat and untap effects - the untap effect is not delayed to after
combat (see Majesty ruling above).

I stand corrected. Rotschreck is no match for Samedi combat!!!

jamesatzephyr wrote:

mjvtes521 wrote:

beslin wrote:

Can Marie-Pierre special stop efect of Rotschreck to another Samedi going to torpor?

No way.

Way.

mjvtes521 wrote:

It’s not stopping that combat from ending nor starting a new combat involving the vampire that got Rotschrecked. It’s just starting a new combat with Marie-Pierre after combat has ended.

Which is also true if someone plays Fast Reaction. Which interrupts Rotschreck's resolution, nullifying the "go to torpor" effect (but not the effects that have already happened, nor the in-play effect).

[RTR 01-MAY-2002]

Non-existant user wrote:

Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the
single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a
new combat is started. (Changes: Rotschreck followed by Fast Reaction or
Psyche! will nullify the torpor effect.) Note that this doesn't apply to
end combat and untap effects - the untap effect is not delayed to after
combat (see Majesty ruling above).

I mean on last part : "Rules Team Rulings"]Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the
single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a
new combat is started. (Changes: Rotschreck followed by Fast Reaction or
Psyche! will nullify the torpor effect.) Note that this doesn't apply to
end combat and untap effects - the untap effect is not delayed to after
combat (see Majesty ruling above).

From rulebook: Rotschreck is played when the attempt to use aggravated damage is announced, during the strike announcement phase (before any damage prevention can be played). It can be played after the other strike is announced, however.

So i beleive there can be scenario: acting minion use aggravated damage and some player in table play Rotschreck to sent reacting vampire in torpor,can reacting vampire play Mayesty + Psyche to be unlocked,or him cannot chose strike?

beslin wrote:

[So i beleive there can be scenario: acting minion use aggravated damage and some player in table play Rotschreck to sent reacting vampire in torpor,can reacting vampire play Mayesty + Psyche to be unlocked,or him cannot chose strike?

When Rotschreck is played, combat ends. During the resolution of Rotschreck, you can play cards that interrupt it, such as Telepathic Tracking, Psyche!, Fast Reaction etc. If that doesn't happen, combat is over. The other minion then doesn't get the impulse to play their strike, because combat is over.

Rotschreck can be played after both strikes are chosen though, even if it's being played on the acting minion's strike. www.vekn.net/card-rulings/card-rulings-p-to-z
So I (acting) could shoot you with my Ivory Bow, you could play Majesty, and then someone couuld play Rotschreck against me. This may be useful for you to cycle your Majesty - but the untap effect is irrelevant, because combat has ended during the choosing of strikes. Your Majesty never resolved, so the untap effect never happens - that happens at strike resolution, not the play of the card. By the time your Majesty resolves, it's too late to play Rotschreck.