file Mind Rape + Descent into Darkness

30 Jun 2019 10:11 #95667 by beslin igor
Descent into Darkness

Action 1 blood, Obtenebration,

[obt] Put this vampire and any cards and counters on them
out of play (breaking any temporary
control effects) and put this card in play.
During your influence phase, this vampire can gain 2 blood,
and you can choose to burn this card to return the vampire to play
(in the same region as they were before), locked.
[OBT] As above, but the vampire is unlocked when he or she returns to play.


Mind Rape

Action, 2 blood, Dominate,

[dom] (D) Bleed with +2 bleed.
[DOM] (D) Put this card on a younger vampire and lock him or her;
you still control this card. The attached vampire does not unlock as normal.
During your next minion phase, burn this card to unlock the attached vampire
and take control of him or her until the end of your turn.

How this combo work? Mind Rape and Descent into Darkness both superior.
Scenario: A play on B Mind Rape,next turn B goes to A ready region,B unlocked.
B play Descent into Darkness,so B is out of play,how long?
Can A chose to B stay long time out of play?
Can A chose to put same vampire in play,but from his owner crypt?

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30 Jun 2019 12:20 #95670 by Hakuron
www.vekn.net/card-rulings/card-rulings-a-to-f

»Descent into Darkness breaks any temporary control effects (Temptation, Malkavian Dementia, etc.), so the vampire is given, face down and out of play, to his permanent controller, with the Descent into Darkness card (which, as a minion card, is then controlled by that permanent controller). [LSJ 20040525]«

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30 Jun 2019 19:41 #95675 by beslin igor

Hakuron wrote: www.vekn.net/card-rulings/card-rulings-a-to-f

»Descent into Darkness breaks any temporary control effects (Temptation, Malkavian Dementia, etc.), so the vampire is given, face down and out of play, to his permanent controller, with the Descent into Darkness card (which, as a minion card, is then controlled by that permanent controller). [LSJ 20040525]«



I cannot open this LSJ link. My english is not good,so I must ask if understand good,if you steal someone with Mind Rape and this vampire play next turn DiD him be out of play and you become his controler until end of game?

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30 Jun 2019 19:45 - 30 Jun 2019 19:45 #95676 by Lech

beslin igor wrote:

Hakuron wrote: www.vekn.net/card-rulings/card-rulings-a-to-f

»Descent into Darkness breaks any temporary control effects (Temptation, Malkavian Dementia, etc.), so the vampire is given, face down and out of play, to his permanent controller, with the Descent into Darkness card (which, as a minion card, is then controlled by that permanent controller). [LSJ 20040525]«



I cannot open this LSJ link. My english is not good,so I must ask if understand good,if you steal someone with Mind Rape and this vampire play next turn DiD him be out of play and you become his controler until end of game?


No. His real controller will be his controller. So it's bad play.

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04 Jul 2019 08:31 - 04 Jul 2019 08:37 #95743 by Bloodartist
EDIT:
Ok, even if the control effect of mind rape is broken by descent, the other methuselah still apparently controls descent into darkness (since its not played on the vampire).

Since its the controller of descent into darkness who chooses to bring the vampire back or not, does that mean that the vampire can remain out of play indefinitely (assuming the controller of descent doesn't choose to bring them back?

Seems too strong.

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04 Jul 2019 09:27 #95744 by Yomyael

Bloodartist wrote: EDIT:
Ok, even if the control effect of mind rape is broken by descent, the other methuselah still apparently controls descent into darkness (since its not played on the vampire).

Since its the controller of descent into darkness who chooses to bring the vampire back or not, does that mean that the vampire can remain out of play indefinitely (assuming the controller of descent doesn't choose to bring them back?

Seems too strong.


Even though the link to LSJs original posting does not work, the ruling on the rulings page still stands until revoked. The interesting part of it is:

so the vampire is given, face down and out of play, to his permanent controller, with the Descent into Darkness card (which, as a minion card, is then controlled by that permanent controller).


Therefore it was ruled, that controll of Descent is passed to the owning player in addition to the vampire itself.

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