First Tradition and Unlock Phase

Bloodartist wrote:

There is a major difference. The old wording (pay 2 pool or skip your turn) would mean that first traditions stack when there are multiples in play. You would have to make the choice for each first tradition separately.

Whereas the up-to-date wording presented by Ankha (You may choose to skip your turn. Burn 2 pool during your unlock phase) means that if you skip your turn, none of the first traditions do anything since there is no untap phase to burn pool in. This is the most likely cause of confusion with the card. [...]

Ankha wrote:

Hakuron wrote:

Well, they still stack, do they not? 3 copies of First Traditions in play mean you have to burn 6 pool in order to take your turn, or am I mistaken?

Yes. When you would take your turn, you have 3 effects to handle:
- FT 1 asks you if you want to skip your turn or not
- FT 2 asks you if you want to skip your turn or not
- FT 3 asks you if you want to skip your turn or not

If you answer 3 times "if want to take my turn", then you take you turn, and you must pay 6 pool since there are 3 FT.
As soon as you answer "no, I want to skip my turn", you skip your turn and proceed with the next player's turn.

Ankha wrote:

TwoRazorReign wrote:

Here's how I interpret "when you would take your turn":

(1) There exists an opportunity for a player to choose to take their turn when First Tradition is in play between the end of one turn and the start of the next turn (before initiating the next turn's unlock phase).

Correct.

TwoRazorReign wrote:

(2) There exists an opportunity for a player to choose to take their turn when First Tradition is in play during their turn's unlock phase (before doing anything that normally happens in the unlock phase).

No, because it means you have begun to take your turn.

Consider the analogy: you can choose to enter a room or not. If you set one foot in the room, you can't say: "wait, I don't enter the room" because it's too late. The choice of entering or not the room (taking the turn or not) must be done before you enter the room (start the turn).


Moreover, "would" is used in the VTES terminology for replacement effects and it works exactly the same here: A would happen. Before A happens, you can choose to do something else instead (skipping your turn).