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17 Sep 2019 06:48 #97020 by Ankha
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I'm sure the question has been asked and answered, but I can't find it, so I'm asking again.

1. Can I use Anu Diptinatpa's special ability during a Justicar Retribution referendum to cause a vampire (who would otherwise have only a 2 bleed) to burn?

No. It's not a bleed action.

2. If no to number 1, could I do it during the action to call the vote, before it becomes a referendum?

No, same reason.
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17 Sep 2019 07:20 #97021 by Tadori
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I'm sure the question has been asked and answered, but I can't find it, so I'm asking again.

1. Can I use Anu Diptinatpa's special ability during a Justicar Retribution referendum to cause a vampire (who would otherwise have only a 2 bleed) to burn?

No. It's not a bleed action.

2. If no to number 1, could I do it during the action to call the vote, before it becomes a referendum?

No, same reason.


Can we put this info in Card Rulings section, because its not obvious. Anu doesn't modify the action but a minion itself so standard rule doesn't apply to her

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17 Sep 2019 16:34 #97027 by Hakuron
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Can we put this info in Card Rulings section, because its not obvious. Anu doesn't modify the action but a minion itself so standard rule doesn't apply to her

It seems more intuitive to me to change/modify Anu's card text.
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18 Sep 2019 10:38 - 18 Sep 2019 10:44 #97032 by Bloodartist
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1. Can I use Anu Diptinatpa's special ability during a Justicar Retribution referendum to cause a vampire (who would otherwise have only a 2 bleed) to burn?


No.

[LSJ 20020106

Can't modify a bleed that doesn't exist.


My issue is the wording on Anu, which says "give a minion +1 bleed", not "bleed is at +1 bleed".

I'm fine with the ruling, but once again VTES cards use very ambiguous wordings.

EDIT: I would ALSO be fine with a ruling that bleed amount is an ability of the minion, since we already have plenty vampires who have inherent +x bleed... It would be slightly more intuitive imo.
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18 Sep 2019 17:25 - 18 Sep 2019 17:30 #97033 by Ankha
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1. Can I use Anu Diptinatpa's special ability during a Justicar Retribution referendum to cause a vampire (who would otherwise have only a 2 bleed) to burn?


No.

[LSJ 20020106

Can't modify a bleed that doesn't exist.


My issue is the wording on Anu, which says "give a minion +1 bleed", not "bleed is at +1 bleed".


The thing that matters is that Anu gives the bonus "during an action" which is temporary.

"during an action" bleed can only be given to the acting minion during a bleed action.
"during an action" stealth can only be given to the acting minion during an action when stealth is needed.
"during an action" intercept can only be given to a blocking minion during an action when intercept is needed.

Anyway, we'll make Anu's text clearer: "During a bleed action, Anu can burn 1 blood to give the acting minion +1 bleed."
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18 Sep 2019 17:44 #97034 by Kraus
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Awesome. I can see this popping up in the future when new people start doing card - math - magic.

Will we see the new wording in subsequent print runs of Heirs bundles?
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