file Sensory Deprivation/Uncontrolled Vampire

24 Jan 2020 16:44 #98738 by pcossel
I haven't played V:TES since it was known as Jyhad and am re-learning the rules. In a recent game I played Sensory Deprivation on an opponents vampire. She then used a Political Action to move said vampire to the Uncontrolled region. For the sake of Sensory Deprivation, does this mean the vampire has left play?

Sensory Deprivation: D Burn a retianer or put this card on an ally. The attached minion does not unlock as normal. Burn this card if this acting minion is not in play.

As above, but put this card on a vampire in play

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24 Jan 2020 22:51 #98739 by Yomyael
The minion has to be in play when the action resolves. This clause will not be checked after that.

When the vampire is banished, the card stays on them, but is out of play. As soon as the vampire reenters play, the card is again in play. The vampire will be unlocked then, but still won't unlock during the unlock phase.

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25 Jan 2020 09:28 - 25 Jan 2020 09:29 #98742 by jamesatzephyr

I haven't played V:TES since it was known as Jyhad and am re-learning the rules. In a recent game I played Sensory Deprivation on an opponents vampire. She then used a Political Action to move said vampire to the Uncontrolled region. For the sake of Sensory Deprivation, does this mean the vampire has left play?


You're not using the most recent card text, from www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt
[chi] (D) Burn any retainer or put this card on any ally. The minion with this card does not unlock as normal during the unlock phase as long as the acting vampire remains in play.
[CHI] As above, but put this card on any vampire in play.

If by 'said vampire' you mean 'the vampire with the Sensory Deprivation on them', playing Banishment on them doesn't interact with the 'as long as the acting vampire remains in play' clause, because they weren't the acting vampire.

If the other player banishes your vampire who played the Sensory Deprivation, then the Sensory Deprivation stops working.

[LSJ 20041201]

> AFAIK It loses its effects permanently, because the criterion
> for ending the card's effect (the playing minion no longer
> remaining in play) is meat with the banishment. So even if
> the vampire reenters play, the Sensory won't kick back in.

Correct.


And then from slightly further down that thread, when someone says "But the acting vampire is back in play when it comes back, so why doesn't it work again":

When he comes back, he is in play.
But he has not remained in play (since he ceased being in play for a time).

Last edit: 25 Jan 2020 09:29 by jamesatzephyr.
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27 Jan 2020 12:09 - 27 Jan 2020 12:12 #98769 by Bloodartist
Why doesn't sensory deprivation burn anymore? It can be more confusing to players if it remains in play but does nothing, requiring people to remember the game state? This game has too many things that players must remember. (granted, Id rather ban sensory dep outright)

Secondly, if a vamp with deprivation on them moves to uncontrolled via banishment, do they unlock since they are out of play? Does the game remember the locked state? Uncontrolled region is not well-defined in the rulebook.

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27 Jan 2020 12:24 #98772 by Kraus
I'll have to agree with Bloodartist here. There has to be a wording that is more intuitive, if this is how it is intended to be played.

The Sensory Depravation is just additional book keeping if it does not burn. The text doesn't prevent other copies to be played on a same minion, so the book keeping is irrelevant. If there is no way to get it ticking again after the vampire that played it comes back in play, the book keeping is irrelevant.

Where is it important that the copy just doesn't burn? Or why would the card remain in play if there is no way to get it working again after a banishment or similar effect?

What am I missing, and why is the current text the way it is?

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27 Jan 2020 13:24 #98774 by pcossel
So, if the Ravnos that played Sensory Deprivation moves to the uncontrolled region they are considered to be out of play and SD is then burned. Is this correct?

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