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New Years Bleebs
Leeds, United Kingdom
20th January 2024
3R+F
16 players
Winner: Hugh Angseesing
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/11201


Deck Name: I want to stick you with my third-eye, again!
1GW 5VP, 1.5FVP

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 8 average: 5.58333

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3x Dela Eden 8 AUS FOR VAL cel dom !Salubri:3
3x Adonai 7 AUS VAL for !Salubri:2
1x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
1x Remilliard, Devout 4 AUS pre !Toreador:2
1x Richard Tauber, Ay 4 AUS tha !Tremere:2
1x Wolf Valentine 4 VAL for !Salubri:2
1x Isabel de Leon 3 AUS Toreador:2
1x Zoe 3 AUS cel obf Malkavian:2


Library [90 cards]

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Master [13]
3x Blood Doll
1x Depravity
2x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
3x Path of Retribution, The
3x Vessel

Action [10]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
1x Blessing of the Name
8x Sense Death

Equipment [1]
1x Argent Baton

Combat [48]
8x Armor of Caine's Fury
2x Aura Reading
2x Blissful Agony
2x Eye of Unforgiving Heaven
2x Skin of Steel
2x Superior Mettle
2x Sword of the Righteous
2x Target Vitals
6x Taste of Vitae
6x Telepathic Tracking
6x Trap
2x Vengeance of Samiel
6x Weighted Walking Stick

Reaction [18]
2x Enhanced Senses
3x Eyes of Argus
1x My Enemy's Enemy
4x On the Qui Vive
8x Telepathic Misdirection

Found this ruling that supports the above.

LSJ wrote:

> If I block and play Blissful Agony (superior) during the combat
> can the acting minion's controller follow up with a Hidden Lurker?
No.
Hidden Lurker can only be played after a combat between the acting
minion and a blocking minion.
The Blissful Agony combat is not such a combat (unless you do a lot of
other card gymnastics in there to make it such a combat, in which case
card text on HL will be met, so HL could be played).

beslin wrote:

Very complicated,but answer is yes,you can play TT before of after ToV.
By ruling from 2018 Taste of Vitae / Disarm / Psyche / Telepathic Tracking you can play by any order,2021 ruling is changed to you cannot play Psyche before Telepathic Tracking.
But maybe is also something changed after 2021 year.
will put you 2 links here,you can read discusion:
www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76990-correct-order-impulse-for-combat-cards-after-combat?start=0

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/78241-relentless-reaper-vs-blissful-agony-and-scheduled-combat-rulings-ambiguity?start=0

Thanks for sharing the links, I did read those threads and are actually linked in my initial post.

None of those explain how or why they are considered to be the same timing-window, which is what i am questioning/asking to be explained.

Very complicated,but answer is yes,you can play TT before of after ToV.
By ruling from 2018 Taste of Vitae / Disarm / Psyche / Telepathic Tracking you can play by any order,2021 ruling is changed to you cannot play Psyche before Telepathic Tracking.
But maybe is also something changed after 2021 year.
will put you 2 links here,you can read discusion:
www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76990-correct-order-impulse-for-combat-cards-after-combat?start=0

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/78241-relentless-reaper-vs-blissful-agony-and-scheduled-combat-rulings-ambiguity?start=0

COBRA KAI
13 December 2020, 14:00 – 23:00
Standard Constructed
2R + Final
Organizador: Desso Alastor
20 Players
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/9713
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Ricardo Marsiglia (#6010055) Tournament Winning Deck with 3 VP´s in the Finals

Deck Name: Saulotão da Massa
Created By: Ricardo Marsiglia

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 11, Max: 44, Avg: 6,08)

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1 Lana Butcher dom for 3 Ventrue G3
1 Maldavis for pre AUS 4 Caitiff G3
1 Maldavis (ADV) for pre AUS 4 Caitiff G3
2 Neighbor John dom for AUS 5 Ventrue Antitribu G4
1 Rosemarie mel FOR 3 Daughter of Cacophony G4
1 Sarah Raines for 2 Gangrel G3
4 Saulot dai AUS FOR OBE THA VAL 11 Salubri G4
1 Ulrike Rothbart dom for 3 Ventrue Antitribu G4

Library: (90 cards)

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Master (12 cards)
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1 Jake Washington
2 Pentex(TM) Subversion
1 Powerbase: Montreal
1 Rack, The
2 Sudden Reversal
2 Wider View

Action (8 cards)
4 Magic of the Smith
4 Spirit Marionette

Action Modifier (3 cards)
1 Daring the Dawn
2 Repulsion

Reaction (36 cards)
7 Eagle's Sight
12 Eyes of Argus
4 Forced Awakening
2 My Enemy's Enemy
5 On the Qui Vive
6 Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (27 cards)
10 Anesthetic Touch
4 Blissful Agony
2 Eye of Unforgiving Heaven
4 Target Vitals
7 Unflinching Persistence

Ally (1 cards)
1 Mylan Horseed

Equipment (3 cards)
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Heart of Nizchetus
1 Light Intensifying Goggles

Yesterday, the first self-organised game was played!

ChaoticMuse, Samedi Reanimated Corps Bleed
Dangle, FoS Vote
kschaefer, Ventrue Vote, 4 vp + gw
Marc_G, !Salubri Blissful Agony Toolbox

lip wrote:

Can Disarm be played after Psyche! ?

[ANK 20180910] says yes

Correct.

lip wrote:

but It has been edited because Telepathic Tracking cannot be played after Psyche! anymore, cf. [ANK 20191219] .

It is absolutely unrelated to Disarm.

Can Disarm be played after Psyche! ?

[ANK 20180910] says yes but It has been edited because Telepathic Tracking cannot be played after Psyche! anymore, cf. [ANK 20191219] . Other references indicate that Telepathic Tracking and Disarm share the same window.

Which is it ?

From this link Ankha answer how you cannot play TT or RR after Psyche:

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/78241-relentless-reaper-vs-blissful-agony-and-scheduled-combat-rulings-ambiguity?start=0

Ankha wrote:

Bonus: Can you play a Relentless Reaper after Psyche?

You cannot play Relentless Reaper in response to Psyche! since the window for playing Psyche! is after the window for playing Relentless Reaper. "is about to end" is later than "would end".[/quote]
Correct on both points.

Nauro wrote:

Is this 2011 post correct?

It is no longer correct. Psyche! and Telepathic Tracking now have different windows. You cannot play Telepathic Tracking once the "would end" window is closed. Psyche! is played in the "about to end" window, which occurs after.
I'll update that topic for easier reference.

Nauro wrote:

Or no, if the part about scheduled combats applies to RR.

Bonus: Can you play a Relentless Reaper after Psyche?
I would say no, but Pascal's post disagrees. Not yet an official ruling. Eager to find out the truth, and hopefully at least get a glimpse to the reasoning and the rulings that support it.

You cannot, it's too late.[/quote]

Ankha wrote:

• A combat cannot be queued if there is already a combat queued.
• Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a new combat is started.
• Telepathic Tracking and Relentless Reaper replaces the end of a combat by a new round, so they don't count as "queuing up a new combat": they can be played if a Siren's Lure has queued a combat.
• Psyche! is played when the combat is about to end to queue a new combat. It cannot be played if another combat is already queued (eg., Siren's Lure, Blissful Agony).
• Telepathic Tracking and Relentless Reaper are played before Psyche! could be played, and since the combat is no longer ending, Psyche! cannot be played.

This is just what I was looking for, thanks! Saving this in my private rules notes...

My confusion was mostly from thinking that TT / RR were queuing a combat, when they actually don't count as doing that (continuing current combat is a different thing).

Ankha can you explain this scenario,you maybe missed this me comment:

And Siren's Lure vs Psyche!

Siren's Lure say once action resolve,and if I understand good action resolve after multiple combat(example replace Bum Rush you can replace after multiple combat,after Freak Drive),so how cannot play Psyche before resolution Siren's Lure?

Name: Siren's Lure
[BL:R1, LoB:R]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Melpominee/Celerity
[cel] This vampire burns 2 blood to get +1 stealth.
[mel] Only usable by an unlocked ready vampire other than the acting minion when a minion attempts to block. That minion cannot block this action. Lock this vampire and that minion. Once the action resolves, this vampire enters combat with that minion.
[MEL] As [mel] above, but do not lock this modifying vampire.

beslin wrote:

Ankha
1) you say in this topic: Bonus: Can you play a Relentless Reaper after Psyche?
I would say no, but Pascal's post disagrees. Not yet an official ruling. Eager to find out the truth, and hopefully at least get a glimpse to the reasoning and the rulings that support it.

You cannot, it's too late.

but there in me topic from 2018 : www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76990-correct-order-impulse-for-combat-cards-after-combat?start=0

beslin igor wrote: how resolve Psyche vs Telepathic Tracking if posible play these cards in same window with diferent vampires(i mean A play one R other card)

You can't play Psyche! after a Telepathic Tracking has been played, since the combat is no longer ending.
You can play Telepathic Tracking after Psyche! has been played. Psyche! queues a new combat, but TT makes the first combat continue. So the first combat will continue, and the extra combat created by Psyche! will never take place (it is "disrupted" by TT).

The last sentence is a mistake, good catch. I fixed it in the post you quote.
way.)

beslin wrote:

2) you say here: Relentless Reaper, Telepathic Tracking and Psyche! interrupts the effect of Blissful Agony.

But I will copy from card rulings: Psyche!:
Superior cannot be played if there is already a combat queued (with, for example, Blissful Agony) [RTR 20020501]
(If that no more corect answer maybe need to be changed there too because can confuse people!)

Yes, I made another mistake: you cannot play Psyche! to interrupt BA.
The reason is that Psyche! queues a combat, and BA has already queued a combat. So you cannot play Psyche! in the first place (you still can play TT and RR, and BA's combat would be lost).

And Siren's Lure vs Psyche!

Siren's Lure say once action resolve,and if I understand good action resolve after multiple combat(example replace Bum Rush you can replace after multiple combat,after Freak Drive),so how cannot play Psyche before resolution Siren's Lure?

Name: Siren's Lure
[BL:R1, LoB:R]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Melpominee/Celerity
[cel] This vampire burns 2 blood to get +1 stealth.
[mel] Only usable by an unlocked ready vampire other than the acting minion when a minion attempts to block. That minion cannot block this action. Lock this vampire and that minion. Once the action resolves, this vampire enters combat with that minion.
[MEL] As [mel] above, but do not lock this modifying vampire.

Ankha
1) you say in this topic: Bonus: Can you play a Relentless Reaper after Psyche?
I would say no, but Pascal's post disagrees. Not yet an official ruling. Eager to find out the truth, and hopefully at least get a glimpse to the reasoning and the rulings that support it.

You cannot, it's too late.

but there in me topic from 2018 : www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76990-correct-order-impulse-for-combat-cards-after-combat?start=0

beslin igor wrote: how resolve Psyche vs Telepathic Tracking if posible play these cards in same window with diferent vampires(i mean A play one R other card)

You can't play Psyche! after a Telepathic Tracking has been played, since the combat is no longer ending.
You can play Telepathic Tracking after Psyche! has been played. Psyche! queues a new combat, but TT makes the first combat continue. So the first combat will continue, and the extra combat created by Psyche! will never take place (it is "disrupted" by TT).

(I beleive to TT and RR are totaly same cards and need to works in same way.)

2) you say here: Relentless Reaper, Telepathic Tracking and Psyche! interrupts the effect of Blissful Agony.

But I will copy from card rulings: Psyche!:
Superior cannot be played if there is already a combat queued (with, for example, Blissful Agony) [RTR 20020501]
(If that no more corect answer maybe need to be changed there too because can confuse people!)

Ankha wrote:

• A combat cannot be queued if there is already a combat queued.
• Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a new combat is started.
• Telepathic Tracking and Relentless Reaper replaces the end of a combat by a new round, so they don't count as "queuing up a new combat": they can be played if a Siren's Lure has queued a combat.
• Psyche! is played when the combat is about to end to queue a new combat. It cannot be played if another combat is already queued (eg., Siren's Lure).
• Telepathic Tracking and Relentless Reaper are played before Psyche! could be played, and since the combat is no longer ending, Psyche! cannot be played.

This is a very useful list, which I would appreciate was included as is in the General Rulings tab on VEKN.