A proposition to change Lilith's Blessing and Anthelios

Klaital wrote:

I use Jake Washington quite a lot more often than Lilith's Blessing.

That's a good argument. But I use Lilith's blessing quite a lot more often than Jake. I guess that makes us even ?

He is something you can toss to pretty much any deck and he will be useful.

if i cannot intercept the "steal" action or if i cannot withstand a long contest, if i have no way to put him back in play once i used it, should i put him in my deck anyway ? Because All those problems vanish when I put lilith's blessing on the table instead.

Lilith's Blessing requires two MPAs and a pool before it does anything at all, if your so worried about villein + lilith's blessing, then just pack lot of suddens and sudden those villeins and that lilith's blessing wont do much good.

Jake requires to be put on a table, and vulnerable to stealing - which means he can benefit an other player instead of me, that's à 8 blood swing against me, and Jake can be used only once. (same arguments, but admit they are good )

Oh, and of course, when I pack lots of sudden, I have less to no room for poolgain and can hardly sudden 2 cards a turn, believe me.

But I am ok with your opinion. I have traded/sold my Jakes anyway, and have no regrets about it.

Jeff wrote:

I agree there are many individual Villeins in circulation, but not nearly enough to meet demand (as the eBay price of Villein indicates).

I can get, literally, 100 or more Villein in the next 24 hours. I asked around, did a little polling, and very, very few players said that they'd not sell me lots of Villein for {some amount of monies}.

To keep mis-defining "demand", "scarcity", "rare", "not nearly enough" and other phrases like it make me sad, because they only make players believe that Villein aren't available, when they clearly are. And then they don't look on eBay, don't ask around, don't get Villein, and eventually get frustrated with the entire situation when they don't need to be.

I'm exiting this now, and thanks for the support, Jeff

KevinM wrote:

Jeff wrote:

I agree there are many individual Villeins in circulation, but not nearly enough to meet demand (as the eBay price of Villein indicates).

I can get, literally, 100 or more Villein in the next 24 hours. I asked around, did a little polling, and very, very few players said that they'd not sell me lots of Villein for {some amount of monies}.

To keep mis-defining "demand", "scarcity", "rare", "not nearly enough" and other phrases like it make me sad, because they only make players believe that Villein aren't available, when they clearly are. and then they don't look on eBay, don't ask around, don't get Villein, and eventually get frustrated with the entire situation when they don't need to be.

I'm exiting this now, and thanks for the support, Jeff

This argument has turned to being about semantics. Against kevin, yes, im sure it is hard for anyone who didnt buy several httb precons or at least a box of kot boosters to have acquired villeins without trading cards that they would have preferred hanging on to, or some amount of currency for them. Same with deep song, eyes of argus, and to a lesser extent, rego motus. They are hard to get cards that were staples within a year of first being printed and thus everyone wanted/wants a stockpile. They were only reprinted twice and the game went out of print.

Id lime to have more myself. Of all 3 Such cards.

But they are not scarce currently. Anyone who wants them can buy them ir trade for them. Monetarily, i think villeini worth $10 and liquidation~$20-$17. But players who need the latter will normally trade 2 villein and a few cheaper cards to acquire liquidations.

Pod will solve this issue, but id call villein a sought after card rather than scarce, since the price doesnt rival things that are very scarce, like sirens lure or charisma. In fact, the one or two per box cards like preturnatural strength, summon history, or unmasking (cog was harder to get from what ive been told) are scarce. By the definitions provided, villein was less scarce. Its valuable, but was when kot was still in print, so im not seeing the problem acquiring it. Its less than charisma. Would someone trade me a charisma for a villein? Just curious.


Other topic: jake is way harder to get than liliths, and jake can block. Ive never owned him, never underestimate mr washington. He is borderline too good, but if he were as readily available as LB he would be the topic of this argument. I think ill post what i think to be more fair versions of all debatex cards soon, to be flamed as you all want, or agreed with.

@Reyda: What makes Jake so good compared to lilith's is the flexibility. You can either get back 4 blood when in a pinch or you can use him to chump block a key rush or more importantly, he can still block bleeds made with daring the dawn. For pure blood generation maybe they're comparable but that's not the whole picture. At least in my experience/opinion, Jake is the better card.

Louhi wrote:

@Reyda: What makes Jake so good compared to lilith's is the flexibility. You can either get back 4 blood when in a pinch or you can use him to chump block a key rush or more importantly, he can still block bleeds made with daring the dawn. For pure blood generation maybe they're comparable but that's not the whole picture. At least in my experience/opinion, Jake is the better card.

it is also unique and usable only once

Pendargon wrote:

Louhi wrote:

@Reyda: What makes Jake so good compared to lilith's is the flexibility. You can either get back 4 blood when in a pinch or you can use him to chump block a key rush or more importantly, he can still block bleeds made with daring the dawn. For pure blood generation maybe they're comparable but that's not the whole picture. At least in my experience/opinion, Jake is the better card.

it is also unique and usable only once

Nothing prevents you from playing many Jakes if you expect to use the blood gain ability quickly. Like I had 3 or 4 in my Ravnos Tumnimos swarm deck.