Monocle of Clarity
29 Mar 2013 15:11 #46386
by Kraus
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Replied by Kraus on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity
So, now that we're on the topic of Monocle, I still couldn't quite get a clear answer to the question earlier discussed in this thread:
www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/6-rules-questions/18214-monocle-of-clarity-a-questions-about-the-deck-contents?limit=10&start=30
We were discussing this earlier on the weekly games. Do you have to answer truthfully to deck content questions?
Just thinkin, 'cause sometimes you really don't remember. Sometimes you do know exactly how many AIs there are. If you simply don't know, do you have to answer yes/no anyways? Can you lie if you DO know?
It would be cool to have this ruling in the card rulings section in VEKN as well, 'cause it's not really super clear.
www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/6-rules-questions/18214-monocle-of-clarity-a-questions-about-the-deck-contents?limit=10&start=30
We were discussing this earlier on the weekly games. Do you have to answer truthfully to deck content questions?
Just thinkin, 'cause sometimes you really don't remember. Sometimes you do know exactly how many AIs there are. If you simply don't know, do you have to answer yes/no anyways? Can you lie if you DO know?
It would be cool to have this ruling in the card rulings section in VEKN as well, 'cause it's not really super clear.
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29 Mar 2013 19:52 - 29 Mar 2013 19:52 #46387
by jamesatzephyr
Yes.
If you accurately know the answer, you must give that answer.
If you do not accurately know the answer, you must give a "Yes" or "No" answer which is correct to the best of your (imperfect) knowledge. [LSJ 20021121] "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer in that situation - it must be yes or no. [LSJ 20021122]
As the asker of the question, it will be extremely difficult for you to know whether the player is accurate or not. It is therefore usually much better to stick to questions that could be verified by (for example) a judge looking over the player's shoulder at their hand/uncontrolled region etc. Answers about information that is actually hidden from the answerer may well be inaccurate. "Oh crap, I forgot to put those Mind Rapes back into this deck." etc.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity
We were discussing this earlier on the weekly games. Do you have to answer truthfully to deck content questions?
Yes.
If you accurately know the answer, you must give that answer.
If you do not accurately know the answer, you must give a "Yes" or "No" answer which is correct to the best of your (imperfect) knowledge. [LSJ 20021121] "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer in that situation - it must be yes or no. [LSJ 20021122]
As the asker of the question, it will be extremely difficult for you to know whether the player is accurate or not. It is therefore usually much better to stick to questions that could be verified by (for example) a judge looking over the player's shoulder at their hand/uncontrolled region etc. Answers about information that is actually hidden from the answerer may well be inaccurate. "Oh crap, I forgot to put those Mind Rapes back into this deck." etc.
Last edit: 29 Mar 2013 19:52 by jamesatzephyr.
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29 Mar 2013 20:55 #46389
by AaronC
The answer is "No." I believe that in the thread that you reference, Pascal said that you can fail to remember what is in your deck without penalty.
It may be unsportsmanlike according to some people not to tell the truth in that situation. However, you can lie and then, if the card appears, you can claim that you did not remember it was in your deck. Since there is no penalty for doing that, it is legal to do.
Replied by AaronC on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity
We were discussing this earlier on the weekly games. Do you have to answer truthfully to deck content questions?
The answer is "No." I believe that in the thread that you reference, Pascal said that you can fail to remember what is in your deck without penalty.
It may be unsportsmanlike according to some people not to tell the truth in that situation. However, you can lie and then, if the card appears, you can claim that you did not remember it was in your deck. Since there is no penalty for doing that, it is legal to do.
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29 Mar 2013 21:47 - 29 Mar 2013 21:50 #46390
by KevinM
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Replied by KevinM on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity
Majesty is not a "reaction card", it is a Combat card.
These are dangerous as they can be ambiguous. Majesty would fit in the first section,...Instead of some of the lists you could ask along the following lines:
"Do you have in your hand a reaction card that untaps your minion(s) or let's them act as untapped?"
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you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
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30 Mar 2013 03:21 #46393
by Haze
in other words, is it okay to cheat when it's practically impossible to get caught?
now I'm inspired, gonna put monocle in every deck and only ask questions about deck contents just to see how people react. I plan to make a real nuisance of myself.
Replied by Haze on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity
Do you have to answer truthfully to deck content questions?
in other words, is it okay to cheat when it's practically impossible to get caught?
now I'm inspired, gonna put monocle in every deck and only ask questions about deck contents just to see how people react. I plan to make a real nuisance of myself.
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30 Mar 2013 09:20 - 30 Mar 2013 09:31 #46396
by Kiddo
I mean, the content of every deck is not secret to judges, right?
EDIT: also, couldn't the target of a question, if he knows he isn't sure about the answer, in order to answer truthfully within a yes/no option, willingly or on his own initiative hand his deck to a judge for inspection?
Replied by Kiddo on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity
Could the asker of the question demand of the judge to go through the target's deck in order to verify/confirm the answer, if the asker suspects forgetfulness/foul play?
The answer is "No." I believe that in the thread that you reference, Pascal said that you can fail to remember what is in your deck without penalty.
I mean, the content of every deck is not secret to judges, right?
EDIT: also, couldn't the target of a question, if he knows he isn't sure about the answer, in order to answer truthfully within a yes/no option, willingly or on his own initiative hand his deck to a judge for inspection?
Last edit: 30 Mar 2013 09:31 by Kiddo.
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