What do you think of Gather card?

Non-existant user wrote:

From what you describe, it is Insurance Scam you play, not Therbold.

My bad, brain wasnt on, apparently. I used scam and therbold in grotesque decks, so i musta crossed some wires in my head.....

galliard wrote:

Dont you think something should be done to prevent this abuse? We should be preactive, before somebody wastes a few tournaments

Given that the Gather + HoS + Golconda (or whatever) combo has been understood for years, it seems likely that it's not game breaking. Yes, you can potentially get quite a lot of pool, but a fair amount of your forward momentum is sacrificed in the process. Also that to get both cards out fairly early, you probably need to stack your deck with quite a few, which causes some related issues later. Also, unlike Villein+Lilith, Gather is an action card, which is usually more interactive - people can block it. And your empty vampire may be vulnerable to various nefarious issues. So it's probably quite a bit more involved than 6 Villeins and three copies of Lilith.

At this stage, the best way to demonstrate how insanely game-breaking the card is really would be to break a few tournaments with it, demonstrating your astonishing V:TES prowess and the card's problems.

The problem with Gather is that high-cap Gangrel are just awful.
If you're playing Stanislava, there are 20 other things you could be doing that are more productive than Gather. At best, you might get out Ingrid for the basic dominate and superior in-clan. Once she's out, you're probably better off keeping her and that's 20 pool.

If you're using Fakir, no other Gangrel can use his spread and he's not that great on his own.

Thanks to Justicar's disease and lack of bounce or boost, it just isn't worth it.
I've thought about the Golconda combo, but you end up wasting so many card slots and actions and it still won't oust.

Gather is cute, but I almost never see it used.

I've used Gather for years in my G1/2 Gangrel voting deck. It's nice because a)no one ever removes it, and b)it gets you out another titled vampire, which you need since G1/2 Gangrel don't have decent vote push.

KevinM wrote:

I've used Gather for years in my G1/2 Gangrel voting deck. It's nice because a)no one ever removes it, and b)it gets you out another titled vampire, which you need since G1/2 Gangrel don't have decent vote push.

Well, they have lokis gift now. Are you implyimg that isnt reasonable vote push?

On a more serious note, Gangrel in vtes have gotten screwed hard. The last set that tried to be nice to them was AE, and even then, thier "best" stuff was an 8 cap with +1 intercept and a 7 cap with all in clans(a canon character to boot) but he was freaking precon only. Then they also got a bmch of amusing fatties like xavier and zayyat, and two functional fatties, torvus and brunhilde, along with solid midrange vamps and weenies, but id take Iliana over most midcap g3 gangrel most days, so still not amazing.
Then they got a support vamp and a guy to make werewolves better in TR. Then KOT happened, and they at least got an attempt at help in the form of a few neat fatties again, along with an almost playable pto, but again, the best thing to happen to gangrel in KoT was deep song got printed.

So, in summery, gangrel suck, gather is weak because of it. If g5-6 sees better stuff, like access to second trad, dominate, solid special texts, etc, gangrel can finally be relevant. Imagine how good gather would be if gangrels in clans were ani dom for. But, being stuck with a support diacipline like protean, they need crypt design love. They need a crypt like g2 tzimitce got midcap wise. Maybe a built in rusher. But i dont think gather sucks, i think g2 was the last time gangrel got a big favor done, because slava is good.

We have a "burn Gather immediately" policy in Seattle.