PB - Shadow Court Satyr & Reflex Cards

Non-existant user wrote:

I don't think Target Vitals helps with burning since its damage is not aggravated and inflicted after the normal damage of the strike.

It wouldn't inherit the aggravated status from DBR, but it's done at the same time as the rest of the damage. Successfully inflicted means the damage from the strike wasn't prevented. Then all the damage is handled, with TV bundled in.

[LSJ 20091123]

LSJ wrote:

floppyzedolfin wrote:
> Hi,
> A Nephandus with 3 life is in combat with a vampire with a .44 Magnum.
> The vampire's strike is to use the Magnum, and he modifies it with an
> uncancelled Target Vitals. Nephandus strikes for 1R.
> There is no prevention card played, does the Nephandus burn?

.44: 2R.
After Nephandus: 1R.
After T:V: 3R.

Non-existant user wrote:

On topic: is there anything special about Reflex cards, or can I put a Swallowed by the Night on the satyr and use the +1 stealth?

SCS's card text restricts him to using the effect "Once each combat", and you can't use an action modifier in combat. Nor can you play stealth in combat. So it would be a bit useless.

Pendargon wrote:

TV damage is same as source damage, IIRC

And in that case, the base damage is the non aggravated damage from the gun, not the aggravated damage from the DBR.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

It wouldn't inherit the aggravated status from DBR, but it's done at the same time as the rest of the damage. Successfully inflicted means the damage from the strike wasn't prevented. Then all the damage is handled, with TV bundled in.

I don't think you can deduce that from the Nephandus ruling. Later in the same thread, LSJ explained:

LSJ wrote:

I imagine the question was whether the T:V was a separate source of damage to be
separately reduced by Nephandus's special.

He only answered on the fact that the Target Vitals damage comes from the strike (card text), so it counts as a single damaging effect for the Nephandus. That doesn't say anything about the timing.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Non-existant user wrote:

I don't think Target Vitals helps with burning since its damage is not aggravated and inflicted after the normal damage of the strike.

It wouldn't inherit the aggravated status from DBR, but it's done at the same time as the rest of the damage. Successfully inflicted means the damage from the strike wasn't prevented. Then all the damage is handled, with TV bundled in.

I read that. But what if the damage from the gun is prevented (by, say, a superior Resilience) but not the agg damage from the dragon breath rounds ? Does the target vitals then should inherit the damage from dragon breath ? or is it completely ineffective since the original strike (2R damage from the gun) has been prevented ?

Sorry if I sound silly, I just want to be sure !

Starting with this bit:

Reyda wrote:

or is it completely ineffective since the original strike (2R damage from the gun) has been prevented ?

TV cares about damage from "this strike". It doesn't matter whether the strike was just hands for 1, or whether it was made up of several elaborate card plays e.g. Reverend Blackwood (+1 on thaumaturgy strikes) plays Torn Signpost (somehow) and Blood Fury (strength-based Thaumaturgy strikes), or thirty copies of Increased Strength and a Thrown Gate. It's still just one strike. Any of the damage is damage from that strike.

(If the answer to "Would a Dodge protect me from it?" is yes, it's probably damage from the strike.)

Reyda wrote:

I read that. But what if the damage from the gun is prevented (by, say, a superior Resilience) but not the agg damage from the dragon breath rounds ? Does the target vitals then should inherit the damage from dragon breath ?

It still only inherits the properties of the base damage, even though that base damage has been prevented.

[LSJ 20090708]

LSJ, wrote:

> Today's question is about the Aim cards (well, mainly Target Head and
> Target Vitals).
> We know they inflict the same kind of damage as the modified strike
> inflicts (aggravated, ranged, not preventable [by ...], ...).
> But what if the strike inflicts multiple kinds of damage?

Additional damage inherits all of the properties of the base damage.

...

> 3/ A modifies the strike playing a Target Vitals (which is not
> cancelled) and a Dragon's Breath Rounds (I think the order doesn't
> change anything here).
> This time, B has to deal with 1 regular and 2 agg damage.
> a - If the regular damage is not prevented, B will suffer an extra 2
> regular damage. Is this correct ?

Yes.
> b - if the regular damage is prevented, but at least 1 agg isn't, B
> will suffer an extra 2 agg damage. Is this correct ?

No. The extra damage only inherits the properties of the base damage.

Non-existant user wrote:

LSJ wrote:

I imagine the question was whether the T:V was a separate source of damage to be
separately reduced by Nephandus's special.

He only answered on the fact that the Target Vitals damage comes from the strike (card text), so it counts as a single damaging effect for the Nephandus. That doesn't say anything about the timing.

Since it's the same source and it's still from "this strike" (card text), it's handled at the same time. There's nothing that makes damage from a strike resolve later or in bundles. After damage prevention finishing with some damage left, you add two additional damage to the strike, then handle (heal/burn to prevent destruction) the damage you've got.

Even if it was a separate source, you'd often handle it all at the same time anyway. e.g. Wolf Companion for 1 normal, plus Carrion Crows for 2 normal, plus my 1 agg hand damage. All handled in the same damage resolution phase.