Fatima leads the revolt

Pendargon wrote:

constant revolution hits everyone, like smiling jack, is more easily removed ( i cannot block), and it can even help people cycle their hands when bad.

Well, the anarch revolt also can be removed, so if there is no other anarch deck, you need a lot of table talk to convince your cross table buddy not to help remove them. Going anarch became more advantageous if you play at least 2-3 anarch revolt AND the player in question does not fear having you as predator.

Of course, it's meta dependant. With the people I usually play with, I would not put much hope in the revolt staying on table

Izaak wrote:

Steely Tenacity avoids the problem with "maybe he doesn't have rush". Also the poolcost of Clandestine Contracts is a significant problem when you are already spending 13 pool to even get started.

Archon Investigation is pointless. It's like 1 in 80 cards and it will not help you in the slightest against a bleed predator; you're still going to end up going backwards 2 out of 3 actions.

With only 6 Freak Drives in there, two fortitude masters seems excessive and a waste of deckspace. Either go up to like 15 Freak Drives or just get rid of the skillcards.

Also, your deck has 9 untaps before monster (which at 1 in 80 cards is prayer at best). That means, in a perfect world where you never get blocked (which will happen because people throw up chump blockers) you get -on average, in said perfect world- two rushes per turn. About 18 in total. So, since about 10 of those will have to go backwards to not die, what does your gameplan look like?

Some other questions that spring to mind:

What is Aranthebes for? What's the Loss for? What's the Blade of Enoch for? Where is the Ghoul Retainer? What will do you when Fatima gets a Pentex? What will you do when your Assault Rifle gets destroyed? I suppose it's acceptable to not have a plan B, but when your plan A is kinda wonky, unstable and generally bad, it's probably a good idea to have a backup plan.

What is your deck supposed to do? What is your goal? If it's to be a twat at the table, then it's a great deck. If it´s supposed to get a VP or two or maybe even win a game, then you should probably go back to the drawing board.

What this deck can currently do, is make your predator miserable, make your prey unable to go forward because he has to keep rescuing his anarch and randomly awards the table to your grandprey or grandpredator depending on what they play.

1. Archon investigation is never pointless. In my experience, and your mileage may vary, i have always found it useful, if for nothing as a first discard. Makes people think twice

2. Contract is contract. A stance that it is bad because it is one pool is really wonky at best. I will rather pay one pool one time , then a blood each time for Steely tenacity. Also, minion with a contract stays down, usually. Good luck persuading people to cross-rescue you empty vampire with the contract on.

3. Ghoul retainer? Really? For 2 pool, in a deck that fights at long rage? And 1 pool for contract is a lot to you? You gotta be kidding me... Aranthebes is maybe questionable, as indeed Fatima can remove opposing aranthebes more easily. Blade Of enoch is very important, it stops terror frenzy, drawing out the beast and Rothsreck, you know, stuff that ruins my game. I choose it over sire's index finger because Fatima can equip it with its text. Loss is obviously, to destroy locations, equipments or opportune bleed. It basically doubles up as rush. Secure heaven, i go destroy it. Ankara? I go destroy that too. Heart of nichetus, i will try to loss it.

Also, most rushes are at +1 stealth, so chumpblocking is a smidgeon more difficult.

Asking what will i do if Fatima gets pentexed is a moot question. You can ask that for any superstar deck, and the answer is always the same - i will have a tough time. There is really no answer to this when playing a deck like this. I will try to remove it with my wee ones. I will try to talk to the table and offer rushes to the people that remove pentex... that kind of stuff. What will i do if my gun gets blown off??? I will equip another one, and cryingly pay 5 more pool... You can't win them all, Charlie Brown.

I will disagree with you Izaak about this deck's inability to win tables. I have seen Non-anarch versions of this win tables. I did not invent hot water here, it is an old concept. I just wanted to add some anarchy into it

Ohlmann wrote:

Pendargon wrote:

constant revolution hits everyone, like smiling jack, is more easily removed ( i cannot block), and it can even help people cycle their hands when bad.

Well, the anarch revolt also can be removed, so if there is no other anarch deck, you need a lot of table talk to convince your cross table buddy not to help remove them. Going anarch became more advantageous if you play at least 2-3 anarch revolt AND the player in question does not fear having you as predator.

Of course, it's meta dependant. With the people I usually play with, I would not put much hope in the revolt staying on table

Yes, you are right. but political action is more difficult to do then D action against me.
I agree people will try to remove it, but it really considers what are my cross-table allies.
If they can go anarch, they will probably do so before removing my revolts. If not, and it is hurting them lots, they will remove it. Ideally, my prey will not be able to remove them, and if my predator uses an action to call a referendum to burn a revolt, it is not a bleed or some harmful politic that comes my way .

If they stay on - great. If not, i think of it as a free misdirection, that did first one pool damage to my prey when i played it. You have to take all you can get...

3. Ghoul retainer? Really? For 2 pool, in a deck that fights at long rage? And 1 pool for contract is a lot to you? You gotta be kidding me

It burns people with the Ivory Bow and can shoot with the Assault Rifle if you can't use it yourself.

Loss is obviously, to destroy locations, equipments or opportune bleed. It basically doubles up as rush. Secure heaven, i go destroy it. Ankara? I go destroy that too. Heart of nichetus, i will try to loss it.

At 1 copy in 80 cards and at no more stealth than the 1 from Swallowed by the Night this will not work for you with any sort of reliability. Maybe you should also include 1 copy of Vissicitude Poisoning?

I will disagree with you Izaak about this deck's inability to win tables. I have seen Non-anarch versions of this win tables. I did not invent hot water here, it is an old concept. I just wanted to add some anarchy into it

It's alright for you to disagree. Whether or not the deck has won a table is really not important. I've seen totally retarded decks win tables and even tournaments because the stars aligned for them. The Fatima deck is old and wasn't really good when Cherryholmes championed it. We're a few years in the future, the game has evolved and not in a direction where multirush got better.

Superstar multirush is a flawed concept at its very core. Adding a 5 pool weapon and an anarch angle to it makes it worse, not better.

Izaak wrote:

Superstar multirush is a flawed concept at its very core. Adding a 5 pool weapon and an anarch angle to it makes it worse, not better.

Oh, okay, thank you for your very eloquent and inspired contribution to this thread. Since the game evolved to the more interesting concept of Mutliple ashur/ Master phase actions, girls and Nana Buruku yawnfest, i will go play that and be superefficient. Or I'll just go make another Malk kindred spirits deck.

On second thought... wait, i play assamites, i play with what i have, and in this case, it is Fatima.

Pendargon wrote:

Oh, okay, thank you for your very eloquent and inspired contribution to this thread. Since the game evolved to the more interesting concept of Mutliple ashur/ Master phase actions, girls and Nana Buruku yawnfest, i will go play that and be superefficient. Or I'll just go make another Malk kindred spirits deck.

You appear to have confused a comment that says "This particular deck-style is already quite tricky, and you're just making it even harder, so the end result really isn't very good at all" with "You must only play one of three superefficient decks."