[Deck] Operation Eagle Sight

Franz wrote:

Ohlmann wrote:

kombainas wrote:

3) If you pick your combat right, noone would ever think of blocking YOU. Those who would not be afraid to block you, would rush you first and even if not, would not have +1 intercept. Hence, you don't want more stealth.

I think it's not true. Animalism provide intercept, and so do being prince, so any half-decent combat deck is likely to be able to block +1 stealth without too much problem. Also, deck good at combat does not alway pack rush, and your prey quite often don't backrushe, especially if he can intercept. (don't forget, kid : backrush is the exception, not the rule !)

ALso, when you opponent is at one pool, stealth is much, much more valuable than being able to pitch his last defender to torpor. Sometime, making action work is best.

I tend to agree. If they have 4 minions untapped, no intercept and 1 pool, what you rather have? 30 more combat and rush cards or 1 stealth card? Making actions work, specially strong actions like 419, equipping a sniper rifle or no secrets from the magaji is way more valuable than torporizing a 1-cap with a raven spy, at least in this deck.

I'll deffinetly swap 3 veil for 3 resist's. Good advice there.

Related: ive ousted beforexat the NAC by deepsong bleed plus the abombwe +1 bleed, while playing strange day. I think i took that table. Akunanse dont stealth bleeds for morecthan 1, so its unexpected, and unexpected wins when other stuff wont.

Ye, I guess my 3) point is more or less based on my metagame. Last time I had to sit on 4 people table, 3 of them being walls As it was already stated before, 2nd trad or other ways of getting +2 intercept are not uncommon even in casual decks. So my point is, either you add stealth to occasionaly pull off +3 stealth, or keep it at +1 stealth (which is a typical undirected action default). Well, just my opinion anyways. For the same reason, strange day is a no-brainer in ANY Laibon deck.

Also about deals with your grandprey on 419. As a grandprey, I'd rather have a meatshield up, who would give me some brething space, than take abuse from my grandpredator. HOWEVER, Massasi is good at selling his body, so you could offer to rush your grandgrandprey in exchange for your grandprey to do his best to keep 419 in play. Convoluted, but works.

Ok, so tonight I took this deck for it's first spin in our local weekly game.

a couple of things I noticed while playing:

- the Quietus cards didn't play. They usually just jammed my hand, I'll swap then for more concealed/disguised, that were lacking

- 419 usually stayed unless my prey was a heavy stealth bleeder. My grandprey understood mine wasn't a fast deck and usually didn't allow bleeds just to burn the 419's. This coupled with the Eagle's Sights was enough to keep them in play most of the time

- as predicted by Ohlmann, the stealth did give a vp. My prey was at 2 pool with 4 untapped procurers, I got one via 419 and bleed with kamaria for 1 at 1 stealth with veil. Gave me the vp.

I experienced that in a lot of cases your prey and grandprey do make a deal for bleeds of 1 to remove 419's, especially when your prey is able to bleed for more then 1 (dom/pre/...) and in some other cases your prey gets bounced and bleeds his grandprey for 1. Especially when you start to get a couple of 419s
on the table. Eagle's sight on all your preys bleeds is impossible I think, even with no secrets, so a lot of people turn to rush, but also this is in most cases not a solution, even with a powerbase luanda on the table. Too many minions or cards ... Another problems I faced playing 419 is that in the couple of cases you are able to oust your prey, your grandprey gets some extra pool from your 419s because wether you had too bleed out your prey in addition of 419 or because people start to see the threat -> deals ... so I came up with another solution ... good ol' brainwash! Not saying it is perfect but I did succeed in winning my first tournament:
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Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=2 max=6 avg=4.17)
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1x Abiku 6 cel obt AUS POT Osebo:4
1x Arriette Sylla 3 POT Osebo:4
1x Homa 6 AUS CEL POT Osebo:4
1x Idrissa 4 aus CEL Osebo:4
1x Ismitta 4 aus cel pot Osebo:4
1x Kamaria 3 aus pot Osebo:4
2x Misrak 2 pot Osebo:4
2x Neighbor John 5 dom for AUS !Ventrue:4
2x Titi Camara 5 pot AUS CEL Osebo:5

Library (72 cards)
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Master (27)
6x Ashur Tablets
7x Brainwash
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Fragment of the Book of Nod
1x Last Stand
1x Mbare Market, Harare
5x Parthenon, The
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal

Action (10)
10x 419 Operation

Equipment (5)
3x .44 Magnum
1x Leather Jacket
1x Sniper Rifle

Ally (2)
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Ossian

Reaction (18)
4x Eagle's Sight
2x Enhanced Senses
3x Eyes of Argus
2x My Enemy's Enemy
3x On the Qui Vive
4x Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (9)
2x Concealed Weapon
1x Read Intentions
1x Side Strike
1x Sideslip
3x Target Vitals
1x Taste of Vitae

Combo (1)
1x Osebo Kholo

I forgot to take out the osebo kholo and also Mbare Market, Harare is still a question because it is only good in beginning of game and it is really expensive, especially with 2 neighbors in ur crypt - /


any suggestions are welcome too to improve on this

Congrats on your tournament win!

My suggestions:

-1 Last Stand
-1 419 Operation

+1 The Barrens
+1 Smiling Jack, The Anarch

Not a fan of Last Stand. Barrens is more cycling. Smiling Jack is alternate ousting mechanism, and gives a distraction to other Methuselahs who should be getting the Edge to burn your 419s. I think 9x 419 is plenty. You can always recurse them.

Tx for good tips! I agree on Last stand not being that good; if you have 6 419 on the table with your prey on 7 pool I found it pure gold: take 6, pay 6, bleed 1 and depending on how strong your position is, take the pool or go for another 6 on it! Won't happen too many times though but very funny too play IF you manage to pull it off but I agree it could/should go.
I did consider barrens too, but somehow I did not suffer from any handjams; 3 dreams and a fragment seems to be sufficient (barrens for fragment would be a possibility, but somehow nobody seems interested in stealing the fragment or their hand is so bad they don't dare - )
And indeed smiling jack could be great (in the endgame) despite some crosstable hate; the brainwashes make ur crosstables frown a bit anyway. I also thought about erciyes fragment and Millicent Smith could work too if you have some 419 on table all ready) but master slots are pretty filled up -/