Submission: Larceny (A fixed / playable Cat Burglary for !Gangrel and Assamites)

Larceny
+1 stealth Action
Steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). If successful, this vampire can burn 1 blood to unlock.
Steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). This vampire may immediately play an action modifier card to gain stealth, even if stealth is not yet needed.

Cat Burglary is pretty bad. I like the idea of it though. So what about something like this? Enables City Gangrel and Assamites to pseudo-bleed their prey, while also getting a pool to help their survivability. Is somewhat akin to Kindred Spirits, but because it isn't a bleed action, you can bleed, unlock, steal 1 pool (or steal 1 pool, unlock, bleed.) Is good with The Unnamed, but because it isn't a bleed, keeps him in check, right? Alternate names: Heist? Swindle? Was surprised to find a lack of 'steal 1 pool' actions.

You could make it a straight up trifle with and then with an interesting bonus effect. I would recommend it not being at stealth though, then you could make the card really good at superior and bump it up to 2 pool.

Something like this...

Larceny

action steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). If successful, unlock this vampire.
As above, but 2 pool.

jblacey wrote:

You could make it a straight up trifle with and then with an interesting bonus effect. I would recommend it not being at stealth though, then you could make the card really good at superior and bump it up to 2 pool.

Something like this...

Larceny

action steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). If successful, unlock this vampire.
As above, but 2 pool.

Stealing 2 pool is about equal to bleed for 4. It also can't be bounced. I like those clans, but it's bit too op.

What about:

Larceny

action steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). If successful, unlock this vampire.
+2 stealth action. Put this card in play and unlock this vampire, any vampire you control with may action steal 1 pool and unlock if successful. Burn this card when the action is successful.

Which is basically enter combat.

Lech wrote:

jblacey wrote:

You could make it a straight up trifle with and then with an interesting bonus effect. I would recommend it not being at stealth though, then you could make the card really good at superior and bump it up to 2 pool.

Something like this...

Larceny

action steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). If successful, unlock this vampire.
As above, but 2 pool.

Stealing 2 pool is about equal to bleed for 4. It also can't be bounced. I like those clans, but it's bit too op.

Is it?

Would you say it is on par with Conditioning if it is announced with the action or 2 player Parity Shift? Because the way I see it isn't stealth, requires two Superior Disciplines which are not normally associated with high bleed or politics.

I could see an argument for making it cost a blood.

I for sure would not give a free unlock with this, if at all. Mistress Fanchon first stealing 2 pool and then bleeding for 8? Nope, nope.

This seems like it was thought of as a midcap or horde tool. They do not need unlocks that much, so it isn't so crucial to give them away. With offensive actions it's a can of worms. It works for tool-up and defensive actions much better.

Jblacey's version should have both 1 cost as well as 1 for the unlock. To be fair I enjoyed the op version more. It might be less powerful, but there's a world of difference between stealing 1 and stealing 2 pool.

That sounds so obvious it hurts... But stealing 2 pool is a really powerful effect. And no, don't compare it to Parity Shift, since it's a whole different card with a whole set of different restrictions.

jblacey wrote:

Lech wrote:

jblacey wrote:

You could make it a straight up trifle with and then with an interesting bonus effect. I would recommend it not being at stealth though, then you could make the card really good at superior and bump it up to 2 pool.

Something like this...

Larceny

action steal 1 pool (for this vampire's controller). If successful, unlock this vampire.
As above, but 2 pool.

Stealing 2 pool is about equal to bleed for 4. It also can't be bounced. I like those clans, but it's bit too op.

Is it?

Would you say it is on par with Conditioning if it is announced with the action or 2 player Parity Shift? Because the way I see it isn't stealth, requires two Superior Disciplines which are not normally associated with high bleed or politics.

I could see an argument for making it cost a blood.

Not only you can bleed afterwards, but also it can't be bounced. Let's see, what disciplines unnamed have?