Bleeding with caution

Was just wondering, besides all the normal tactics for not ousting your grandprey with bigbleeds, did any of you tr out the combination of slow withering and Narrow Minds? Tel misdirection costs 3 then... and deflecttion will be played at inf a lot i think... Could work, right? Just need to get it in play at the right time. I have used Veil of darkness-Slow Withering as anti-bounce teck a lot, as you can look that up with fortshrit, but Narrow minds is more difficult. People wont like you if you play Veil and slwo withering though...

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Cooper wrote:

Was just wondering, besides all the normal tactics for not ousting your grandprey with bigbleeds, did any of you tr out the combination of slow withering and Narrow Minds? Tel misdirection costs 3 then... and deflecttion will be played at inf a lot i think... Could work, right

I mean, if you have them both in play at the same time, and your deck isn't being hosed as well (i.e. you are playing, like, weenie obf with Computer Hacking and Leverage for bleeding), that combo could work very well as a way to prevent too much bouncing. But Narrow Minds by itself will usually do just as well, and is much less likely to have everyone at the table hate you than playing Slow Withering (which makes everyone cranky).

Given that unless you have multiples of both in your deck, and even then, you probably aren't that likely to get them both in play at the same time, it will be hard to get them both in play, it is something that you could try and arrange for, but not something you can really rely on, most of the time.

If you're going to play Slow Withering, you might as well put in the Veil as well... no point generating moderate table-hate from everyone, go for gold or go home.

One of my decks that is disciplineless specifically uses Veil + Withering.

I would look into a disciplineless Black Hand Gehenna deck based on Nicomedes.

Nicomedes
Clan: Harbinger of Skulls (group 4)
Capacity: 5
Disciplines: aus for nec vic
Sabbat. Black Hand: Once each of your turns, Nicomedes may burn a blood to shuffle your hand into your library (draw afterward).

Off the top of my head:
- 60-70 card library
- 4-6x Storage Annex, 1x Dreams, 1x Elder Library
- 2-4x Wider View
- 2-4x Dominion and 5x Change of Targets
- 2x Remover if using Codex of the Edenic Groundskeepers
- Depending on the master count, 2-3x Villein/Lilith's Blessing or 2-3x Vessel/Perfectionist
- 4-6x Concealed .44s or Zip Gun/Vitals
- Abbot and Ministry for defense
- Kamuts for bloat and acceleration
- Guarded Rubrics and other bleed permanents for ousting
- Tattoo Signal for Banjoko
- Possibly Zillah's Tears to have some useful action after Change of Target
- 10x events, possibly including NRA PAC for Darbying

Lots of first turn masters. Storage Annex and Lilith's should have great synergy with Nicomedes. After playtesting I might try Teresita and Impundulu. The latter can slowly kill off allies. If Concealing proves difficult I'd try 1x Drop Point Network.

Deck Name : Duelling Banjokos
Author : Juggernaut1981
Description :
Black Hand Disciplineless Deck



Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 5 average: 4.41667

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5x Banjoko 5 DOM obt pot Lasombra:3
1x Aredhel 5 FOR VAL aus !Salubri:4
1x Colonel, The 5 AUS cel dem obf !Malkavian:3
1x Katherine Stoddard 4 dom for !Ventrue:3
1x Mariano Pomposo 4 aus cel pot !Brujah:3
1x Mosfair 4 cel dom tha !Tremere:4
1x Roger Farnsworth 4 OBF aus !Malkavian:3
1x Piotr Andreikov 2 aus Tzimisce:3


Library [75 cards]

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Action [14]
4x Abbot
8x Reunion Kamut
2x Tattoo Signal [added after Pendargon's post and I realised my absent mindedness]

Action Modifier [14]
8x Seraph's Second
6x Stealth Ritus

Ally [2]
2x Marijava Thuggee

Combat [8]
8x Target Vitals

Equipment [1]
1x Guarded Rubrics

Master [16]
6x Dominion
2x Heidelberg Castle, Germany
2x Pentex(TM) Loves You!
4x Tribute to the Master
2x Watchtower: Four Ride Forth

Reaction [20]
8x Ministry
6x Wake with Evening's Freshness
6x Watch Commander

No Tattoo signal?