file Dam the Heart's River

23 Sep 2016 03:09 #78509 by nergalmcl
Question:
Dam the Heart's River give +1 on damage made from Carrion Crows, Retainers (wolf companion, duma rafiki, etc) or even Catatonic Fear?


Dam the Heart's River, Combat, Quietus, C , [TU:C]
Frenzy. Only usable before range is determined. A vampire can play only one Dam the Heart's River each combat.
[qui] This combat, each strike or damaging effect made against the opposing minion inflicts +1 damage.
[QUI] As above, and this combat, strikes cost the opposing minion 1 additional blood or life, and the opposing minion can choose not to strike.


thank you :)

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23 Sep 2016 05:36 #78510 by jamesatzephyr
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nergalmcl wrote: Question:
Dam the Heart's River give +1 on damage made from Carrion Crows,


Yes.

During the previews, Pascal pointed out that someone suggesting a more 'standard' wording for DtHR was missing the fact that the current wording allows for Carrion Crows:

[FZD 20141007]

Pascal wrote: [The suggested alternative wording d]oesn't cover Carrion Crows, Winged Second, etc. So, for another effect than the one desired, another text would indeed be valid.



nergalmcl wrote: Retainers (wolf companion, duma rafiki, etc)


By extension of the above, yes - it's a damaging effect in combat, and it doesn't have to come from the Quietus vampire (like Carrion Crows doesn't).

nergalmcl wrote: or even Catatonic Fear?


No.

DtHR affects strikes/damaging effects "this combat". The damage from Catatonic Fear is done outside of combat - combat ends, then you do the damage. (Which is what makes the Catatonic Fear damage so hard to prevent - most damage prevention effects only work in combat.) Since you're outside combat, DtHR doesn't provide a damage boost to Catatonic Fear.

[FZD 20150520]

Pascal wrote: Catatonic Fear's damage isn't "boosted" by Dam the Heart's River, as it isn't inflicted "this combat", but "once this combat ends" (== "after combat ends").

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23 Sep 2016 09:07 - 23 Sep 2016 09:08 #78515 by Bloodartist
Replied by Bloodartist on topic Dam the Heart's River

jamesatzephyr wrote:

nergalmcl wrote: or even Catatonic Fear?


No.

DtHR affects strikes/damaging effects "this combat". The damage from Catatonic Fear is done outside of combat - combat ends, then you do the damage. (Which is what makes the Catatonic Fear damage so hard to prevent - most damage prevention effects only work in combat.) Since you're outside combat, DtHR doesn't provide a damage boost to Catatonic Fear.


What would happen in hypothetical situation, where superior telepathic tracking would be played after catatonic fear? The combat would not end but a new round would start? Then damage would still be within combat? Or would the damage from catatonic fear be canceled even, or carried forwards to the new end of combat?

ps. Target vitals can be played on catatonic fear still, right?

"Plenty of little men tried to put their swords through my heart. And there's plenty of little skeletons buried in the woods."
- Tormund Giantsbane, Game of Thrones
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23 Sep 2016 10:30 #78517 by jamesatzephyr
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Bloodartist wrote: What would happen in hypothetical situation, where superior telepathic tracking would be played after catatonic fear?


The Catatonic Fear damage would be lost.

[RTR 20020501]

RTR wrote: Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the
single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a
new combat is started. (Changes: Rotschreck followed by Fast Reaction or
Psyche! will nullify the torpor effect.)


RTR wrote: ps. Target vitals can be played on catatonic fear still, right?


Yes. Target Vitals is played in combat when the strike is chosen, and deals extra damage if the strike deals damage. Catatonic Fear's post-combat damage is still the strike dealing damage, and Target Vitals just cares about that - the strike doing damage, whether at first strike, normal strike, or (more rarely) after combat.

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23 Sep 2016 16:51 #78519 by nergalmcl
Replied by nergalmcl on topic Dam the Heart's River
Thanks both of you. Great help.

ps: this card is f** INSANE.

Mono Kamiri is coming baby :^)

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23 Sep 2016 17:03 #78520 by jamesatzephyr
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nergalmcl wrote: ps: this card is f** INSANE.


It's certainly a potentially potent tool for Quietus, but bearing in mind that Potence can kill you to death with a 1 or 2 cap with Immortal Grapple, Disarm and any strength-increasing effect, it's not that insane really.

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