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Pascal wrote:

"Accidental play", "bad play", "oops-I-didn't-see-my-grand-prey-is-tapped-out play", etc... don't exist in the rules.

They do exist in multiple rulings, however!

Pascal wrote:

As I can see it, there are only two possibilities:

Why are you ignoring the possibilities set forth by earlier rulings?

Pascal wrote:

b- doesn't require a judge call (*).

As noted in your footnote, this is wrong! A player can violate play-to-win without ousting themselves. Indeed, the obvious response to the occasional demand for a ban on self-ousting is that a player will simply reduce themself to one pool instead.

Pascal wrote:

Now, a- is somewhat trickier.
There is only two situations where a player is allowed to self-oust. That's when that player has the won the game already, or when he can't get more VPs. In any other scenario, that play is invalid and should be fixed by the Judge (recommendation: rollback).

Could you explicitly confirm that you are reversing earlier rulings on the subject?

If so, can I express deep concern that we have a second instance of you introducing a false dichotomy that isn't present in the game, in order to overturn a ruling? www.vekn.net/forum/6-rules-questions/54318-blissful-agony?limit=10&start=10

Perfect, thank you Pascal.

Yes, Telepathic Tracking drops "after combat ends" effects such as Illusions o fthe Kindred or Blissful Agony.

Hi,

Can you update me about this ruling?

Does TT fizzles the effects of scheduling new combat of IotK and BA?


Telepathic Tracking :

Auspex Press, only usable to continue combat. If another round of combat occurs, this vampire gets an optional maneuver during that round.
AUSPEX Only usable when both combatants are still ready and combat is about to end. The round ends, but combat does not end; another round starts.

Blissful Agony :

Animalism Strike: hand strike at +1 damage.
Valeren Only usable at close range before strikes are chosen. Opposing minion takes 1 unpreventable damage during strike resolution each round this combat when the range is close. A vampire may play only one Blissful Agony at Valeren each combat.
VALEREN Strike: combat ends. Choose a minion controlled by a Methuselah other than the opposing vampire's controller. The opposing vampire enters combat with that minion.

Ilusions of the Kindred :

Only usable before range is determined.
Chimerstry Combat ends. Move the bottom card of your crypt to your ready region. He or she does not contest any other minions or titles in play. The vampire has an amount of blood equal to half of his or her capacity (round down). Combat begins between the vampire and the opposing minion. Remove the crypt card from the game at the end of combat.
CHIMERSTRY As above, but the vampire has an amount of blood equal to his or her capacity.


Thanks!

Pascal wrote:

Now, suppose two players would actually play sup' BA. We'd be in a situation, during strike resolution, where we would have to have two combats start. They can't happen simultaneously, so someone would have to sequence them. One of them being the first, and the other being the second. I hope you see the trouble here. We now have queued combats (which, as stated several times, is forbidden).

Why introduce a spurious false dichotomy? Nothing requires the second combat to be queued. You can just have it thrown away, as per [FZD 20120225] .

Other after combat effects are routinely thrown away when interrupted by something else sufficiently disruptive getting in the way. RTR 2002-05-01 and the earlier [TOM 10-MAY-1995]. We don't feel forced to remember the existence of Form of Mist's continue action effect following a Psyche!

So no, I don't see the trouble here. We are not in a situation where two combats have to start, because we have long-standing rulings explaining what happens - the acting Methuselah sequences two otherwise-simultaneous effects, and the extra combat is thrown away.

So your trouble isn't with BA at all, it simply is with Siren's Lure.

Re-read my previous example, and you'll realize that, at every point, once SL has been played, there would be a so-called "queued" combat. Generated from the play of SL.

Are you trying to say that I shouldn't allow the play of BA, because SL has been played?

Similar question: Should the combat resulting from a block after SL has been played still resolve (after all, there is a "queued" combat) ?

Similar question: If the action isn't blocked after SL has been played, should the Bum's Rush still resolve (after all, there is a "queued" combat) ?

What I'm interested in is knowing why you would refuse BA to generate a new combat when there was already one that was perfectly valid.

no I certainly don't think that's ok

I just don't think the 'metaphysics' of the card works like that and i'm interested why you can play a Sup BA on a Siren's lure action because that seems even more blatant 'combat is queued' than two sup BA's that haven't resolved.

[to make it easier I think Siren's Lure queued = BA already played at Superior as it seems like a sensible standardisation]

Ok, let's start from the other side.

Can't queue combats. That's the main idea. If you disagree with this one, it's easier to stop reading now, and say so

Now, suppose two players would actually play sup' BA. We'd be in a situation, during strike resolution, where we would have to have two combats start. They can't happen simultaneously, so someone would have to sequence them. One of them being the first, and the other being the second. I hope you see the trouble here. We now have queued combats (which, as stated several times, is forbidden).

If you think this state is OK, do let me know. I think it's not, as it introduces queued combats.

I didn't need the example I got how it worked and I appreciate the it's bad if players play psyche to get queued combat but I find:

"At the end of the action, one combattant of the Anarch Convert vs Qawiyya combat can play Blissful Agony, but not both."

non-intuitive as you haven't queued anything yet just played a strike later that will queue something [hence always used [1] in James's post above as the ruling]
I just don't understand why at some stage BA has moved from ruling [1] to ruling [2] or why - that's the metaphysics i'm missing.
You can't 'pend' with BA until resolution so it doesn't make sense that the second player couldn't play a BA as well.

The unnecessarily complex bit referred to the 'four' cases of combats above. Eurgh mess and doesn't add anything as they're all the same case.

Squidalot wrote:

thanks Pascal but seems unnecessarily complicated!

"Metaphysics aren't easy" -- A. Einstein

Here's an example:

Saulot plays Bum's Rush on Nahum Enosh.
Qawiyya el-Ghaduba attempts to block. Anarch Convert (Inceptor + SIren's Lire + Blissful Agony) plays Siren's Lure.
Ariel attempts to block.
In this combat, one combatant could play Blissful Agony (sup), but not both.
Let's say none does, and Saulot plays Toreador's Bane (to continue the action).
The action is successful, Saulot enters combat with Nahum Enosh.
In this combat, one combatant could play Blissful AGony (sup), but not both.

At the end of the action, one combattant of the Anarch Convert vs Qawiyya combat can play Blissful Agony, but not both.



I think it's better to have this than to face stuff I've faced during the EC 2010, where two players weren't aware that you cannot play Psyche! after the opponent plays Blissful Agony, and did it. Three times. In a row. No queued combat.

thanks Pascal but seems unnecessarily complicated!

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Praxis Seizure: Dublin 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Frankfurt 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Geneva 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Glasgow 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Houston 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Istanbul 1,5 5
Praxis Seizure: London 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Miami 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Monaco 1 3
Praxis Seizure: Paris 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Rome 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Seattle 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Stockholm 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Venice 0,5 5
Praxis Seizure: Washington, D.C. 0,5 5
Praxis Solomon 0,25 10
Precision 0,5 5
Precognition 0,25 10
Precognizant Mobility 0,25 10
Predator`s Communion 0,25 10
Predator`s Mastery 0,25 10
Predator`s Transformation 0,25 10
Presence 0,25 10
Pressing Flesh 15 5
Preternatural Evasion 0,25 10
Preternatural Strength 15 3
Priestess of Sekhmet 0,25 10
Primal Instincts 0,25 10
Principia Discordia 0,25 10
Priority Shift 0,5 5
Prison of the Mind 0,5 5
Private Audience 0,5 5
Procurer 0,5 5
Project 1 3
Projectile 0,25 10
Promise of 1528 0,5 5
Propaganda 0,25 10
Prophecies of Gehenna 0,5 5
Protean 0,25 10
Protect Thine Own 0,5 5
Protected Resources 0,5 5
Protracted Investment 0,25 10
Provision of the Silsila 2 8
Proxy Kissed 0,5 5
Psalm of the Damned 0,5 5
Pseudo-Blindness 0,25 10
Psyche! 0,5 5
Psychic Assault 0,25 10
Psychic Projection 0,5 5
Psychic Veil 1 3
Psychomachia 0,5 5
Public Enemy 1 3
Public Trust 0,25 10
Pulled Fangs 0,5 5
Pulling Strings 0,25 10
Pulse of the Canaille 0,25 10
Punish 0,25 10
Puppeteer (Wraith) 3 10
Purchase Pact 0,5 5
Purification 0,5 5
Purity of the Beast 0,5 5
Pursuit 0,25 10
Pushing the Limit 0,25 10
Putrefaction 2 0
Putrescent Servitude 2 2
Qetu the Evil Doer (Bane Mummy) 0,5 5
Quick Exit 0,25 10
Quick Jab 0,25 10
Quick Meld 0,25 10
Quicken Sight 0,25 10
Quickness 0,5 5
Quicksilver Contemplation 0,5 5
Quietus 0,25 10
Rabble Razing 0,25 10
Rack, The 0,5 5
Rafastio Ghoul 0,5 5
Raking Talons 1,5 5
Rampage 0,25 10
Random Patterns 0,25 10
Rant! 0,25 10
Rapid Change 0,25 10
Rapid Healing 0,25 10
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Raptor 0,5 5
Rastacourere 0,5 5
Rat`s Warning 0,25 10
Ravager 0,25 10
Rave 0,25 10
Raven Spy 0,25 10
Ravnos Acceptance 0,25 10
Ravnos Cache 0,5 5
Ravnos Carnival 1 3
Raw Recruit 1 3
Rayzeel`s Song 0,25 10
Razor Bat 0,25 10
React with Conviction 0,25 10
Read Intentions 0,25 10
Read the Winds 0,5 5
Reality 0,25 10
Reality Mirror 0,5 5
Realm of the Black Sun, The 0,5 5
Reanimated Corpse 0,5 5
Rebel 0,25 10
Rebirth 0,5 5
Recalled to the Founder 3 3
Reckless Agitation 0,5 5
Recruiting Party 0,5 5
Recruitment 0,5 5
Recure of the Homeland 0,5 5
Recurring Contemplation 0,5 5
Red Herring 0,25 10
Red List 0,25 10
Redcap Wilder 0,5 5
Redeem the Lost Soul 0,5 5
Redirection 0,5 5
Redistribution 0,5 5
Redline 0,5 5
Reform Body 0,25 10
Reformation 0,5 5
Regaining the Upper Hand 0,25 10
Regarhagan`s Hold 0,5 5
Regeneration 0,25 10
Regenerative Blood 0,5 5
Regent 0,5 5
Rego Motus 3 1
Reindoctrination 0,25 10
Reinforcements 0,5 5
Reins of Power 0,5 5
Rejuvenate 0,25 10
Release of the Shackled Soul 0,25 10
Relentless Pursuit 0,25 10
Reliquary: Akunanse Remains 0,5 5
Reliquary: Biague 0,5 5
Reliquary: Shango Remains 0,5 5
Reliquary: Trinket 0,5 5
Remnant of the Endless Storm 0,5 5
Remover 0,25 10
Renegade Garou 1 3
Renewed Vigor 0,5 5
Repair the Undead Flesh 0,5 5
Repo Man 3 1
Repulsion 0,25 10
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Resilience 0,5 5
Resilient Mind 0,5 5
Resist Earth`s Grasp 0,5 5
Respire 0,25 10
Resplendent Protector 0,5 5
Restoration 0,25 10
Restricted Vitae 1 3
Restructure 0,5 5
Resume the Coil 0,5 5
Resurrection 2 5
Retain the Quick Blood 2 6
Retribution 0,5 5
Return to Innocence, The 0,5 5
Reunion Kamut 0,5 5
Revelation of Desire 0,25 10
Revelation of Despair 0,25 10
Revelation of Ecstasy 0,25 10
Revelation of the Sire 0,25 10
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Revelations 0,5 5
Revenant 0,5 5
Reversal of Fortunes 1 3
Revocation of Tyre 0,5 5
Revolutionary Council 0,5 5
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Riddle Phantastique 0,5 5
Rigor Mortis 0,5 5
Riposte 0,5 5
Rise of the Nephtali 2 5
Ritual Challenge 0,5 5
Ritual of the Bitter Rose 0,5 5
Ritual Scalpel 1 3
Robert Carter 0,5 5
Rock Cat 4 10
Rockheart 0,5 5
Rogue 0,5 5
Roll 0,5 5
Rolling with the Punches 0,25 10
Rom Gypsy 0,5 5
Rooftop Shadow 0,25 10
Root of Vitality 0,25 10
Rose Foundation, The 0,5 5
Rotschreck 0,5 5
Rowan Ring 0,5 5
RPG Launcher 0,5 5
Rubicon 0,5 5
Ruins of Ceoris 1 3
Ruins of Charizel 0,5 5
Ruins of Villers Abbey, Belgium 0,5 5
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Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The 0,25 10
Rumors of Gehenna 0,5 5
Rutor`s Hand 0,5 5
Sabbat Inquisitor 0,5 5
Sabbat Priest 0,25 10
Sabbat Threat 0,5 5
Sacrament of Carnage 0,25 10
Sacre Cour Cathedral, France 0,5 5
Sacrifice 0,5 5
Sacrificial Lamb 0,25 10
Safe Passage 0,25 10
Salt of Thoth 0,5 5
Samuel Haight 0,5 5
San Lorenzo de El Escorial, Spain 0,5 5
San Nicolas de los Servitas 0,5 5
Sanguinary Wind 0,25 10
Sanguine Instruction 0,25 10
Sargon Fragment, The 1 3
Saturday-Night Special 0,5 5
Savannah Runner 1 3
Save Face 0,25 10
Sawed-Off Shotgun 0,25 10
Scalpel Tongue 0,25 10
Scapelli, The Family `Mechanic` 0,25 10
Scarlet Lore 0,5 5
Scattershot 0,25 10
SchreckNET 0,5 5
Scobax 0,5 5
Scorn of Adonis 0,25 10
Scorpion Sting 0,25 10
Scorpion`s Touch 0,25 10
Scourge 0,5 5
Scourge of Alecto 0,25 10
Scourge of the Enochians 8 3
Scouting Mission 0,25 10
Screw the Masquerade! 0,25 10
Scrounging 0,5 5
Scry the Hearthstone 0,25 10
Scrying of Secrets 0,25 10
Seal of Veddartha 1 3
Seattle Committee 1 3
Second Sight 0,5 5
Second Tradition: Domain, The 0,5 5
Secret Horde 0,25 10
Secret Library of Alexandria, The 0,5 5
Secret Must Be Kept, The 1 3
Secret Passage 0,25 10
Secure Haven 0,5 5
Seduction 0,5 5
Seeds of Corruption 0,5 5
Selective Silence 0,5 5
Sengir Dagger 0,5 5
Sense Death 1 3
Sense the Savage Way 0,25 10
Sense the Sin 0,5 5
Sense Vibrations 1 3
Sense Vitality 0,25 10
Sensory Deprivation 5 15
Sensory Overload 0,25 10
Seraph 0,5 5
Seraph`s Second 3 5
Serenading the Kami 0,25 10
Sermon of Caine 0,25 10
Serpentis 0,25 10
Servitor of Irad 0,5 5
Set`s Call 0,5 5
Set`s Curse 2 2
Shaal Fragment 1 3
Shackles of Enkidu 0,5 5
Shade 0,5 5
Shadow Body 0,5 5
Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling) 3 5
Shadow Feint 0,5 5
Shadow of Taint 0,5 5
Shadow of the Beast 0,25 10
Shadow of the Wolf 0,25 10
Shadow Parasite 0,5 5
Shadow Play 0,25 10
Shadow Step 2 3
Shadow Strike 0,25 10
Shadow Twin 0,5 5
Shadowed Eyes 0,25 10
Shakar 0,25 10
Shaman 1 3
Shambling Hordes 0,5 5
Shame 0,25 10
Shanty Town Hunting Ground 0,25 10
Shape Mastery 0,5 5
Shared Nightmare 0,5 5
Shared Strength 0,5 5
Shatter the Gate 0,5 5
Shattered Mirror 0,5 5
Shattering 3 5
Shattering Blow 0,25 10
Shattering Crescendo 2 1
Sheepdog 1 3
Shell Break 0,25 10
Shell Game 0,5 5
Shepherd`s Innocence 0,25 10
Shilmulo Deception 0,25 10
Shilmulo Tarot 2 3
Shock Troops 2 2
Short-Term Investment 0,25 10
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Shoulder Drop 0,25 10
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Shroud of Absence 8 5
Shroud of Night 0,25 10
Shroudsight 0,25 10
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Side Strike 0,25 10
Sideslip 0,25 10
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Signet of King Saul, The 0,5 5
Silence of Death 1,5 5
Sins of the Cauchemar 0,25 10
Siphon 0,25 10
Sire`s Index Finger 0,5 5
Siren`s Lure 10 7
Sires Command, Childer Inherit 0,25 10
Sixth Tradition: Destruction, The 0,5 5
Skin of Night 0,5 5
Skin of Rock 0,25 10
Skin of Steel 0,25 10
Skin of the Adder 0,5 5
Skin of the Chameleon 0,25 10
Skin Trap 0,5 5
Skullduggery 0,25 10
Slake the Thirst 0,25 10
Slam 0,25 10
Slashers, The 0,5 5
Slaughterhouse, The 0,5 5
Slaughtering the Herd 0,25 10
Slave Auction 0,5 5
Sleep of Reason 0,25 10
Sleep Unseen 0,25 10
Sleeping Mind, The 0,25 10
Sleight of Hand 0,5 5
Slow Withering, The 4 2
Slum Hunting Ground 0,25 10
Smash and Grab 0,25 10
Smear Campaign 0,5 5
Smiling Jack, The Anarch 2 8
Smite 0,5 5
Smoke and Mirrors 0,25 10
Smoke Grenade 0,5 5
Snipe Hunt 0,25 10
Sniper Rifle 0,5 5
Soak 0,25 10
Soar 0,25 10
Social Charm 0,25 10
Social Ladder 0,5 5
Society Hunting Ground 0,25 10
Society of Leopold 0,5 5
Sociopath 0,25 10
Sonar 0,25 10
Song in the Dark 0,5 5
Song of Pan 0,5 5
Song of Serenity 0,25 10
Songs of the Distant Vitae 0,25 10
Soul Burn 0,25 10
Soul Decoration 0,25 10
Soul Feasting 0,25 10
Soul Gem of Etrius 1 3
Soul of the Earth 1,5 5
Soul Painting 0,5 5
Soul Scan 1 3
Soul Stealing 0,25 10
Sound of a Breaking Oath 0,5 5
Sowing Dissension 0,25 10
Spawning Pool, The 0,5 5
Speak with Spirits 0,5 5
Special Report 0,25 10
Specialization 2 8
Spectral Divination 0,5 5
Speed of Thought 0,5 5
Spell of Life 1 3
Spike-Thrower 0,5 5
Spirit Claws 4 1
Spirit Marionette 0,5 5
Spirit Summoning Chamber 0,5 5
Spirit`s Touch 0,25 10
Spiritual Intervention 1,5 5
Spiritual Protector 0,5 5
Spontaneous Power 0,5 5
Sport Bike 0,5 5
Spying Mission 0,5 5
Squirrel Balance 0,5 5
Stake 0,25 10
Staredown 0,5 5
Starshell Grenade Launcher 0,5 5
Starvation of Marena 0,25 10
Static Virtue 1 3
Status Perfectus, The 1 3
Steadfastness 0,5 5
Steal the Mind 0,5 5
Stealing Years 0,5 5
Stealth Ritus 0,25 10
Steam Tunnels 0,25 10
Steely Tenacity 0,25 10
Stiff Contempt 0,25 10
Still the Mortal Flesh 0,5 5
Stolen Police Cruiser 0,5 5
Stone Dog 0,5 5
Stone Quills 0,25 10
Stone Travel 0,25 10
Stonestrength 0,5 5
Storage Annex 0,5 5
Storm Sewers 0,5 5
Strained Vitae Supply 0,5 5
Strange Day 1,5 3
Stranger Among Us, The 0,25 10
Street Cred 0,5 5
Strength of the Bear 0,25 10
Striga 0,5 5
Strike at the True Flesh 0,25 10
Strike with Conviction 0,25 10
Strix 10 5
Stunt Cycle 0,25 10
Stutter-Step 0,25 10
Subdued by the Blood 0,5 5
Submachine Gun 0,25 10
Succubus 0,5 5
Succubus Club 0,5 5
Succulent Vitae 0,25 10
Sudario Refraction 4 4
Sudden Reversal 0,5 5
Summon History 30 0
Summon Soul 0,25 10
Summon Spirit Beast 0,5 5
Summon the Abyss 2,5 1
Summon the Serpent 0,25 10
Summoning, The 0,25 10
Sunrise Service 0,5 5
Sunset Strip, Hollywood 5 2
Superior Mettle 0,25 10
Supernatural Resistance 0,25 10
Suppressing Fire 0,25 10
Surge 0,5 5
Surprise Influence 0,25 10
Survivalist 0,25 10
Svadharma 0,25 10
Swallowed by the Night 0,25 10
Swarm 0,25 10
Sweeper 0,5 5
Swiftness of the Stag 0,5 5
Swiss Cut 0,5 5
Swoop 0,5 5
Sword of Judgment 0,5 5
Sword of Nuln 0,5 5
Sword of the Righteous 0,25 10
Sword of Troile 0,5 5
Sympathetic Agony 0,5 5
Tabriz Assembly 2 6
Tainted Spring 5 5
Tainted Vitae 0,5 5
Tajdid 0,5 5
Taking the Skin: Minion 1 3
Taking the Skin: Vulture 1 3
Talaq, The Immortal 0,5 5
Talbot`s Chainsaw 0,5 5
Talith 0,5 5
Talons of the Dead 0,5 5
Taming the Beast 0,25 10
Tangle Atropos` Hand 12 0
Tapestry of Blood 0,5 5
Tara, The Hollow One (Mage) 0,5 5
Target Hand 0,5 5
Target Head 0,5 5
Target Leg 0,5 5
Target Retainer 0,5 5
Target Vitals 5 20
Tasha Morgan 0,5 5
Taste of Death 0,5 5
Taste of Vitae 0,5 5
Tattoo Signal 0,5 5
Taunt the Caged Beast 0,5 5
Telepathic Counter 0,25 10
Telepathic Misdirection 0,5 5
Telepathic Tracking 1 3
Telepathic Vote Counting 0,25 10
Templar 0,25 10
Temple Hunting Ground 0,25 10
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Temptation of Greater Power 0,5 5
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Tenebrous Form 0,5 5
Tension in the Ranks 1 3
Terra Incognita 0,25 10
Terror Frenzy 2 12
Terrorists 0,5 5
Textbook Damnation, The 1 3
Thadius Zho, Mage 0,5 5
Thanks for the Donation 0,5 5
Thaumaturgy 0,25 10
The Rising 1,5 4
Theft of Vitae 0,25 10
Therbold Realty 2 5
Thicker Than Blood 1 3
Thin Blood 0,5 5
Thin-Blooded Seer 3 5
Third Tradition: Progeny, The 0,5 5
Thirst 0,5 5
Those Who Endure Judge 0,25 10
Thoughts Betrayed 0,5 5
Threading the Path of Orpheus 0,5 5
Threats 0,25 10
Three's a Crowd 0,25 10
Threestar Cab Company 0,5 5
Thrones Crumble 0,25 10
Thrown Gate 0,25 10
Thrown Sewer Lid 0,25 10
Tier of Souls 0,5 5
Tinglestripe 0,5 5
Tithings 0,5 5
Tomb of Rameses III 1,5 5
Tongue of the Serpent 0,25 10
Toreador Grand Ball 2 20
Toreador Justicar 0,5 5
Toreador`s Bane 0,5 5
Torment the Soul 0,25 10
Torn Signpost 0,5 5
Torpid Blood 1 3
Torrent 0,5 5
Tortured Confession 0,25 10
Total Insanity 0,25 10
Touch of Clarity 15 2
Touch of Pain 0,25 10
Tourette`s Voice 0,25 10
Tower of London 0,5 5
Toy Chest Test 0,5 5
Tracker`s Mark 0,25 10
Tradition Upheld 0,25 10
Traditionalist 0,25 10
Tragic Love Affair 0,25 10
Trainer 0,5 5
Tranquility 0,5 5
Transcendent Laibon 1 3
Transfer of Power 0,5 5
Transfusion 0,5 5
Trap 0,5 5
Travelers Obey the Tenets 0,5 5
Treachery 0,25 10
Treasured Samadji 0,5 5
Treat the Sick Mind 0,5 5
Treatment, The 0,25 10
Treaty of Laibach 0,5 5
Treaty of Tyre Enforced 0,5 5
Tremere Convocation 0,5 5
Tremere Justicar 0,5 5
Tribunal Judgment 0,5 5
Tribute to the Master 0,25 10
Trick of the Danya, The 0,25 10
Triole`s Revenge 0,25 10
Trochomancy 0,25 10
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Trophy: Clan Respect 1 3
Trophy: Diablerie 1 3
Trophy: Discipline 1 3
Trophy: Domain 1 3
Trophy: Hunting Ground 1 3
Trophy: Library 1 3
Trophy: No Questions 1 3
Trophy: Progeny 5 0
Trophy: Retainers 1 3
Trophy: Revered 1 3
Trophy: Safe Passage 1 3
Trophy: Wealth 1 3
True Faith 1 3
True Love`s Face 0,25 10
Trumped-Up Charges 0,25 10
Truth in Ink 0,25 10
Truth of a Thousand Lies 0,5 5
Truth of Blood 0,5 5
Tumnimos 0,5 5
Tunnel Runner 0,5 5
Tutu the Doubly Evil One (Bane Mummy) 0,5 5
Twilight Camp 3 5
Twisted Forest 1,5 5
Twisting the Knife 0,5 5
Two Wrongs 0,5 5
Tye Cooper 1,5 3
Typhonic Beast 0,5 5
Unacceptable Appearance 1 3
Unburdening the Bestial Soul 3 5
Uncoiling, The 2 3
Uncontrollable Rage 0,5 5
Uncontrolled Impulse 0,25 10
Undead Persistence 0,25 10
Undead Strength 0,25 10
Under My Skin 0,25 10
Under the Skin 0,25 10
Underbridge Stray 0,5 5
Underworld Hunting Ground 0,5 5
Undue Influence 0,5 5
Undying Tenacity 0,25 10
Undying Thirst 3 1
Unexpected Coalition 0,5 5
Unflinching Persistence 0,25 10
Unholy Penance 0,25 10
Unholy Radiance 0,25 10
Unity 0,5 5
University Hunting Ground 0,25 10
Unleash Hell's Fury 20 1
Unlicensed Taxicab 0,5 5
Unmasking, The 12 3
Unnatural Disaster 0,25 10
Unseen Hibernation 0,25 10
Unwholesome Bond 0,5 5
Up Yours! 0,5 5
Uptown Hunting Ground 0,25 10
Urban Jungle 1 3
Using the Advantage 0,5 5
Vagabond Mystic 0,5 5
Vampiric Disease 0,5 5
Vampiric Speed 0,25 10
Vanish from the Mind`s Eye 0,25 10
Vascular Explosion 0,25 10
Vast Wealth 0,5 5
Vaticination 0,5 5
Vaulderie 0,25 10
Veil of Darkness 1 3
Veil of Silence 0,25 10
Veil the Legions 0,25 10
Veiled Sight 0,25 10
Veles` Hunt 2 5
Vendetta 0,5 5
Veneficorum Artum Sanguis 0,5 5
Veneficti (Mage) 5 1
Venenation 0,25 10
Venetian Conference 0,25 10
Vengeance of Samiel 0,25 10
Ventrue Directorate Assembly 0,5 5
Ventrue Headquarters 0,5 5
Ventrue Investment 0,25 10
Ventrue Justicar 0,5 5
Vermin Channel 0,5 5
Vessel 1 3
Vial of Elder Vitae 0,5 5
Vial of Garou Blood 0,25 10
Vicissitude 0,25 10
Vicissitude Poisoning 0,5 5
Victim of Habit 0,5 5
Vigil: The Thin Line 0,5 5
Vigilance 0,25 10
Villein 8 30
Violation of Trust 0,25 10
Virolax Facility 0,5 5
Virtuosa 0,5 5
Visionquest 0,5 5
Visit from the Capuchin 3 10
Vitae Block 0,5 5
Voice of Madness 0,5 5
Voices of the Castle 0,25 10
Voter Captivation 0,5 5
Vox Domini 0,5 5
Vox Senis 0,25 10
Vulnerability 0,5 5
Vulture`s Buffet 2 0
Waiting Game 1 3
Wake with Evening`s Freshness 0,25 10
Walk of Caine 0,5 5
Walk of Flame 0,25 10
Walk through Arcadia 0,5 5
Walks-With-Might 0,5 5
Wall Street Night, Financial Newspaper 0,5 5
Wanderer`s Counsel 0,25 10
War Ghoul 5 10
War Party 0,25 10
Warding the Beast 0,5 5
Warning Sirens 0,25 10
Warrant 0,25 10
Warsaw Station 3 5
Warzone Hunting Ground 0,25 10
Wash 1,5 10
Wasserschloss Anif, Austria 0,5 5
Waste Management Operation 0,5 5
Watch Commander 0,25 10
Watchtower: Chosen are Called 0,5 5
Watchtower: Four Ride Forth 0,5 5
Watchtower: Greatest Fall 0,5 5
Watchtower: The Wolves Feed 0,5 5
Waters of Duat 0,5 5
Wave of Insanity 0,25 10
Wave of Lethargy 0,5 5
Waxen Poetica 0,5 5
Weakness 0,5 5
Weather Control 0,5 5
Web of Knives Recruit 0,5 5
Week of Nightmares 1 3
Weeping Stone 0,5 5
Weigh the Heart 0,25 10
Weighted Walking Stick 0,5 5
Weirding Stone 0,5 5
Well-Aimed Car 0,5 5
Well-Marked 1 3
Wendell Delburton (Hunter) 0,5 5
Werewolf Pack 0,25 10
Whispers from the Dead 0,25 10
Whispers of the Nictuku 0,5 5
Whistling Up the Beast 1 3
White Nights Massacre 2 2
White Phosphorus Grenade 0,5 5
Wider View 1 3
Wildebeest, The 0,5 5
Will of the Council 0,5 5
Will-o`-the-Wisp 5 0
Winchester Mansion 0,5 5
Wind Dance 2 1
Winged Second 0,5 5
Wise Spider 1,5 2
Withering 0,25 10
WMRH Talk Radio 2 5
Wolf Claws 0,25 10
Wolf Companion 0,25 10
Wooden Stake 0,25 10
World's a Canvas, The 0,25 10
Wormwood 1 3
Wrath of the Inner Circle 0,5 5
Writ of Acceptance 0,5 5
Wrong and Crosswise 0,5 5
XTC-Laced blood 0,5 5
Yawp Court 5 5
Year of Fortune 0,25 10
Yoruba Shrine 2,5 0
Young Bloods 2 5
Zaire River Ferry 1 3
Zapaderin 0,25 10
Zillah`s Tears 0,5 5
Zillah`s Valley 0,5 5
Zip Gun 0,5 5
Zip Line 0,25 10
Zombie 0,25 10
Zoning Board 0,5 5
Zoo Hunting Ground 0,25 10


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Aaron Bathurst 0,25 19
Aaron Duggan, Cameron`s Toady 0,25 19
Abd al-Rashid 0,25 19
Abdelsobek 0,25 19
Abebe 0,5 19
Abiku 0,5 19
Abu Nuwasi 0,5 19
Accorri Giovanni 0,25 19
Adana de Sforza 1 5
Adelaide Davis 0,25 19
Adhiambo 0,25 19
Adonai 1 5
Adrianne 0,25 19
Aeron 0,25 19
Afifa, The Herald 0,25 19
Agaitas, The Scholar of Antiquities 1 5
Agatha 0,25 19
Agrippina 0,25 19
Agru Kabera 0,5 19
Ahmose Chambers 0,25 19
Aidan Lyle 0,25 19
Aimee Laroux 0,5 19
Aisata Swanou 0,5 19
Aisha 0,25 19
Aisling Sturbridge 0,25 19
Aiyana, The Wolfcatcher 0,5 19
Akram 0,25 19
Aksinya Daclau 2 5
Al-Ashrad, Amr of Alamut 0,25 19
Al-Muntaquim, The Avenger 0,5 19
Al-Muntathir, God's Witness 0,5 19
Alan Sovereign 0,25 19
Alan Sovereign (ADV) 1 5
Alcoan 0,5 19
Aleister Crowley 0,25 19
Alejandro Aguirre 0,25 19
Aleph 0,25 19
Alessandro Garcia 0,25 19
Alex Wilkins 0,25 19
Alexandra 1 5
Alexis Sorokin 0,25 19
Alfred Benezri 0,25 19
Alfred Benezri (ADV) 0,25 19
Ali Kar 0,25 19
Alicia Barrows 0,25 19
Allanyan Serata 0,25 19
Allison Maller 0,25 19
Allonzo Montoya 1 5
Almiro Suarez 0,25 19
Almodo Giovanni 0,25 19
Alonso Petrodon 0,5 19
Alonzo Guillen 0,25 19
Alu 0,5 19
Alvaro, The Scion of Angelica 0,25 19
Amadeo 0,25 19
Amaravati 0,5 19
Amavi 1 5
Ambrogino Giovanni 0,25 19
Ambrogino Giovanni (ADV) 0,25 19
Ambrosio Luis Moncada, Plenipotentiary 0,25 19
Amelia 0,25 19
Amelia, The Blood Red Tears 0,25 19
Amenophobis 0,25 19
Amisa 0,25 19
Ana Rita Montana 0,25 19
Anarch Convert 8 5
Anastasia Grey 0,25 19
Anastaszdi Zagreb 0,5 19
Anatole, Prophet of Gehenna 0,25 19
Andre LeRoux 1 5
Andrea Giovanni 0,5 19
Andreas, The Bard of Crete 0,25 19
Andrei Puxon 0,25 19
Andrew Emory 0,25 19
Andrew Stuart 0,25 19
Andy 0,25 19
Angel 0,5 19
Angel Chavarria 0,25 19
Angela Decker 0,25 19
Angela Preston 0,5 19
Angelica, The Canonicus 0,25 19
Angelo 1 5
Angus the Unruled 0,25 19
Anisa Marianna Lopez 0,5 19
Anjalika Underwood 0,25 19
Anka, Priestess of Thorns 0,25 19
Ankh-sen-Sutekh 0,25 19
Ankla Hotep 0,25 19
The Ankou 1 5
Anna 'DictatrixII' Suljic 0,25 19
Annabelle Triabell 1 5
Annazir 0,5 19
Anneke 0,5 19
Anson 1 5
Antara 0,25 19
Antoine, The Lost 0,25 19
Antoinette DuChamp 0,5 19
Antoinette Dubois 0,25 19
Antoinette, She Who Watches 0,25 19
Anton 0,25 19
Anton de Concepcion 0,25 19
Antonino 1 1
Antonio Delgado 0,5 19
Antonio Veradas 0,25 19
Antonio d`Erlette 0,25 19
Anu Diptinatpa 0,5 19
Anvil 0,25 19
Anwar 0,25 19
Apache Jones 0,5 19
Appius Claudius Corvus 0,25 19
Appolonius 0,25 19
Arcadian, The 0,25 19
Ardan Lane 0,25 19
Aredhel 0,5 19
Aren, Priest of Eshu 0,25 19
Ariadne 1 8
Arianne, The Conqueror 0,25 19
Ariel 0,5 19
Arika 2 5
Arishat 1 5
Aristotle de Laurent 0,25 19
Armin Brenner 0,25 19
Arnold Simpson 0,25 19
Arnulf Jormungandrsson 0,25 19
Arriette Sylla 0,5 19
Artemis 0,25 19
Arthur Denholm 0,25 19
Asguresh 0,5 19
Ash Harrison 0,25 19
Assad Salhoum 0,25 19
Astrid Thomas 0,25 19
Augustus Giovanni 5 5
Aurora Van Brande, Paladin 0,25 19
Axel Von Anders 0,25 19
Ayelea, The Manipulator 0,25 19
Ayo Igoli 1 5
Azaneal 0,5 19
Aziz, Dammar of Istanbul 0,25 19
Azrael 0,5 19
Babalawo Alafin 0,5 19
Badger 0,25 19
Badr al-Budur 0,25 19
Bajazet al-Nasir 0,25 19
Bakr 0,25 19
Baldesar Rossellini 0,25 19
Banjoko 0,5 19
Barbaro Lucchese 1 5
Baron Dieudonne 1 5
Baron, The 1 5
Baroque 0,5 19
Barry 0,5 19
Barth 0,25 19
Bartholomew 0,5 19
Basil 0,25 19
Basilia 0,25 19
Basir 0,5 19
Batsheva 0,5 19
Batsheva (ADV) 0,5 19
Bear Paw 0,25 19
Beast, The Leatherface of Detroit 1 5
Beatrice 'Oracle171' Tremblay 0,25 19
Beatrice L`Angou 0,5 19
Beauregard Krueller 0,25 19
Beckett 2 5
Beckett (ADV) 0,5 19
Beetleman 1 5
Bela 0,25 19
Bela Kardoza 0,25 19
Belle Equitone 0,25 19
Benedict Giovanni, Agent 0,25 19
Benjamin Rose 0,25 19
Bernard, the Scourge 0,25 19
Bertrand d`Anjou 0,25 19
Beth Malcolm 0,25 19
Bethany Ray 0,25 19
Bianca 0,25 19
Bill Butler 0,25 19
Billy 0,25 19
Bindusara, Historian of the Kindred 0,25 19
Black Annis 0,25 19
Black Cat 0,25 19
Black Lotus 0,5 19
Black Wallace 0,25 19
Blackhorse Tanner 1 5
Blaise 0,25 19
Blanche Hill 3 5
Blister 0,25 19
Bloodfeud 0,5 19
Bloody Mary 0,25 19
Blythe Candeleria 0,5 19
Bobby Lemon 5 5
Boss Callihan 0,5 19
Bothwell 0,25 19
Boy Toy 0,25 19
Brachah 0,25 19
Brazil 0,25 19
Brian Thompson 0,25 19
Brigitte Mandisa 0,5 19
Bronwen 0,25 19
Brooke 0,25 19
Bruce de Guy 0,25 19
Brunhilde 0,25 19
Bryan Van Duesen 0,25 19
Bulscu 0,25 19
Bupe Kuila 0,25 19
Byzar 0,5 19
Cagliostro, The Grand Copht 0,25 19
Cailean 0,25 19
Caitlin 0,25 19
Calebos 0,25 19
Calebros, The Martyr 0,25 19
Caliban 1 5
Callirus 0,25 19
Calvin Cleaver 0,25 19
Cameron 0,25 19
Camille Devereux, The Raven 0,25 19
Cardano 0,5 19
Carlak 0,25 19
Carlotta Giovanni 0,25 19
Carmen 0,25 19
Carmine Giovanni 0,25 19
Carna, The Princess Witch 2 5
Caroline Bishops 0,25 19
Carter 0,25 19
Casino Reeds 1 5
Cassandra Langely, The Waif 0,25 19
Cassandra, Magus Prime 0,25 19
Catherine du Bois 0,5 19
Cedric 0,5 19
Celeste Lamontagne 0,5 19
Celeste, The Voice of a Secret 0,5 19
Celine Chevalier 0,25 19
César Holfield 0,25 19
Cesewayo 1 5
Cesewayo (ADV) 0,5 19
Chandler Hungerford 0,5 19
Charice Fontaigne 0,25 19
Charlie Tyne 0,25 19
Chas Giovanni Tello 0,25 19
Chaundice 0,5 19
Chavi Oraczko 0,25 19
Chester DuBois 0,25 19
Christanius Lionel, The Mad Chronicler 0,25 19
Christine Boscacci 0,5 19
Christopher Houghton 1 5
Cicatriz 0,25 19
Clarissa Steinburgen 0,5 19
Claudio Severino 1 5
Claus Wegener 0,25 19
Claven 0,25 19
Clea Auguste d`Holford 0,25 19
Clifton Derrik 0,25 19
Cock Robin 1 5
Cohn Rose 0,25 19
Colin Flynn 0,25 19
Colonel, The 0,5 19
Conrad Adoula 0,5 19
Constanza Vinti 1 5
Corine Marcon 0,5 19
Cornelius Ottavio 0,25 19
Count Germaine 1 5
Count Germaine (ADV) 1 5
Count Ormonde 0,5 19
Count Vladimir Rustovitch 0,25 19
Count Zaroff 0,25 19
Courtland Leighton 0,25 19
Creamy Jade 0,25 19
Cristobal Ghiberti 0,25 19
Cristofero Giovanni 0,25 19
Cristos Mantigo 0,5 19
Crusher 0,25 19
Cybele 1 5
Cynthia Ingold 0,5 19
Cyscek 0,25 19
Daliyah 0,25 19
Damaskenos, Herald of Leandro 0,25 19
Dame Hollerton 0,5 19
Dan Murdock 3 5
Dancin` Dana 0,25 19
Dani 0,25 19
Danielle Diron 1 5
Danny Larkshill 0,25 19
Danylo 0,5 19
Darius Styx 0,25 19
Darlene Killian 1 5
Darrel Boyce, Consul 0,25 19
Darva Felispa 0,25 19
Darvag, The Butcher of Rus 0,25 19
David Morgan, The Scourge 0,25 19
DeSalle 0,25 19
Dedefra 1 5
Dela Eden 0,25 19
Delilah Easton 0,5 19
Delilah Monroe 0,25 19
Demdemeh 0,25 19
Demetrius Slater 0,25 19
Democritus 0,5 19
Denette Stensen 0,5 19
Devin Bisley 0,5 19
Devyn 0,25 19
Diana Vick 0,25 19
Didi Meyers 0,25 19
Diego Giovanni 0,25 19
Dieter Kleist 0,25 19
Dimple 0,25 19
Dirk 0,25 19
Djuhah, The Bronze Bow 0,25 19
Dmitra Ilyanova 3 5
Dmitri Borodin 0,25 19
Doctor Streck 0,25 19
Dodd 0,25 19
Dolie 0,5 19
Dollface 0,25 19
Dolphin Black 0,25 19
Dominique 0,5 19
Dominique (ADV) 0,25 19
Dominique Santo Paulo 0,25 19
Don Caravelli 0,25 19
Don Cerro 0,25 19
Don Cruez, The Idealist 0,25 19
Don Michael Antonio Giovanni 0,25 19
Donal O`Connor 1 5
Donald Cargill 0,25 19
Donatello Giovanni 0,25 19
Donatien 0,25 19
Dorian Strack 0,25 19
Doris McMillon 0,5 19
Dovey Ebfwe 0,5 19
Doyle Fincher 0,25 19
Dr. Allan Woodstock 0,5 19
Dr. Douglas Netchurch 0,25 19
Dr. Jest 0,25 19
Dr. John Casey 0,25 19
Dr. John Dee 0,25 19
Dr. Julius Sutphen 0,25 19
Dr. Julius Sutphen (ADV) 0,25 19
Dr. Morrow, the Skin Doctor 0,25 19
Dr. Solomon Grey 0,25 19
Dragos 1 5
Dre, Leader of the Cold Dawn 0,25 19
Droescher One-Eye 0,25 19
Drusilla Euphemia 0,25 19
Duality 0,25 19
Duck 0,25 19
Durga Syn 0,25 19
Dylan 0,25 19
Dylan (ADV) 0,25 19
Earl 0,25 19
Earl 'Shaka74' Deams 0,25 19
Ebanezer Roush 0,25 19
Echo 0,25 19
Eddie Gaines 1 5
Edith Blount 0,25 19
Edward Neally 0,25 19
Edward Vignes 1 5
Effie Lowery 1 5
Egothha 0,5 19
Ehrich Weiss 0,25 19
Elena Gutierrez 0,25 19
Elena Mendoza Vasquez 0,25 19
Elihu 0,5 19
Elimelech the Twice-Damned 0,5 19
Eliott Sinclair, Virtuoso Thespian 0,25 19
Elisabetta Romano 0,25 19
Elizabeth Conde 0,5 19
Elizabeth Westcott 0,5 19
Ellen Fence, the Tracker 0,25 19
Ellison Humboldt 0,25 19
Ember Wright 0,25 19
Emerson Bridges 0,25 19
Emerson Wilkershire III 0,5 19
Emily Carson 0,25 19
Enid Blount 0,25 19
Enkidu, The Noah 1 5
Enzo Giovanni, Pentex Board of Directors 0,25 19
Epikasta Rigatos 0,5 19
Eric 'Shophet125' Franco 0,25 19
Eric Kressida 0,25 19
Eric Milliner 0,25 19
Erichtho 0,25 19
Erinyi 0,5 19
Ermenegildo, The Rake 0,5 19
Esau 0,5 19
Esoara 0,5 19
Ethan Locke 0,25 19
Etienne Fauberge 0,5 19
Etrius 1 5
Eugene 0,25 19
Eugenio Estevez 0,25 19
Eurayle Gelasia Mylonas 1 5
Evan Klein 0,5 19
Evan Rogers 0,25 19
Evangeline 0,25 19
Evil Jensen 0,5 19
Eze, The Demon Prince 1 5
Ezekiel, Lord of Montreal 0,25 19
Ezmerelda 20 1
Ezra Hawthorne 0,25 19
Fabrizia Contreraz 0,5 19
Fahd al-Zawba`a 0,25 19
Fairuza 0,25 19
Fakir al Sidi 0,5 19
Falhu Shibaba 1 5
Faruq 0,25 19
Father Juan Carlos 0,25 19
Fatima al-Faqadi 0,5 19
Federico di Padua 0,25 19
Felicia Mostrom 0,25 19
Feo Ramos 0,5 19
Fergus Alexander 0,25 19
Ferox, The Rock Lord 0,25 19
Ferox, The Rock Lord (ADV) 0,25 19
Fida`i 0,5 19
Fidus, The Shrunken Beast 0,5 19
Fish 0,5 19
Fleurdumal 0,5 19
Florentina Lengauer 0,25 19
Fode Kourouma 0,5 19
Foureyes 0,25 19
Francesca Giovanni 0,25 19
Francis Milliner 0,25 19
Francisco Domingo de Polonia 1 5
Franciscus 0,25 19
Francois 'Warder' Loehr 0,25 19
Francois Villon 1 5
Frank Litzpar 0,25 19
Frank Weisshadel 0,25 19
Freddy Gage 0,25 19
Frederick the Weak 0,25 19
Frere Marc 0,25 19
Frondator 0,5 19
Fustuk 0,5 19
Gabriel de Cambrai 0,25 19
Gabrielle di Righetti 1 5
Gabrin 1 5
Gael Pilet 0,5 19
Ganesh 1 5
Ganhuru 0,5 19
Garret 0,25 19
Gaspare Giovanni 0,25 19
Gatjil Munyarryun 0,25 19
Gavrylo 0,5 19
Gem Ghastly 0,25 19
Gemini 0,25 19
General Perfidio Dios 0,5 19
Genevieve 0,25 19
Gengis 0,25 19
Genina, The Red Poet 2 5
Gentha Shale 1 5
George Frederick 0,5 19
Gerald Windham 0,5 19
Gerard 0,25 19
Gerard Rafin 0,25 19
Gharston Roland 0,25 19
Ghivran Dalaal, The Dead God 0,25 19
Giangaleazzo, The Traitor 0,5 19
Gianmaria Giovanni 0,25 19
Gideon Fontaine 0,5 19
Gilbert Duane 0,25 19
Gillespi Giovanni 0,25 19
Gillian Krader 0,25 19
Giotto Verducci 1 5
Giovanni del Georgio 0,25 19
Gisela Harden, The Winnower 0,25 19
Gitane St. Claire 0,25 19
Giuliano Vincenzi 0,25 19
Gloria Giovanni 1 5
Goratrix 3 5
Goratrix (ADV) 0,5 19
Gotsdam, the Tired Warrior 0,5 19
Gracetius 0,25 19
Gracis Nostinus 0,25 19
Graham Gottesman 0,5 19
Gratiano 1 5
Gravitnir 0,5 19
Greensleeves 0,5 19
Greer Worder 0,5 19
Greger Anderssen 0,25 19
Grendel the Worm-Eaten 0,25 19
Greta Kircher 0,5 19
Grotesque 1 5
Gualtiero Ghiberti 0,25 19
Guedado 0,25 19
Guido Lucciano 0,25 19
Guillaume Giovanni 1 5
Guillermo Arsuaga 0,25 19
Gunnar 0,5 19
Gunther, Beast Lord 0,25 19
Gustaphe Brunnelle 1 5
Gustav Breidenstein 0,25 19
Gustav Mallenhous 0,25 19
Gustavo Morales 0,25 19
Gwen Brand 0,25 19
Gwendolyn 1 5
Gwyedd 0,5 19
Haakon Mortensen 0,25 19
Hadrian Garrick 0,25 19
Hafsa, The Watcher 0,5 19
Hagar Stone 0,25 19
Halim Bey 1 5
Hanna Redmonds 0,25 19
Hannibal 0,25 19
Hannibal (ADV) 1 5
Hannigan 0,5 19
Hardestadt 1 5
Harika Guljan 0,25 19
Harlan Graves 0,5 19
Harold Tanner 1 5
Harold Zettler, Pentex Director 0,5 19
Harrod 1 5
Harry Reese 0,25 19
Hartmut Stover 0,25 19
Hasani 0,5 19
Hasina Kesi 0,25 19
Hazimel 1 5
Heather Florent, The Opportunist 0,25 19
Hector Sosa 0,25 19
Hector Trelane 0,25 19
Heinrick Schlempt 0,25 19
Hektor 1 5
Helen Fairchild 0,5 19
Helena 0,25 19
Helena (ADV) 1 5
Helena Casimir 1 5
Henri Lavenant 1 5
Henry Taylor 1 5
Herbert Westin 0,25 19
Hermana Hambrienta Mayor 0,5 19
Hermana Hambrienta Menor 1 5
Hesha Ruhadze 1 5
Hester Reed 0,25 19
Hezekiah Rutledge 0,25 19
High Priest Angra Mainyu 0,5 19
Hillanvale 0,5 19
Homa 0,5 19
Honest Abe 0,25 19
Honorine Ateba 0,5 19
Horatio 0,25 19
Horatio Ballard 0,5 19
Horde, The 1 5
Horrock 1 5
Howler 1 5
Hrothulf 0,5 19
Huang, Blood Cultist 0,25 19
Hugo 0,25 19
Huitzilopochtli 5 5
Hukros 0,25 19
Humo 0,25 19
Husamettin 0,25 19
Ian Forestal 1 5
Ian Wallingford 0,25 19
Ibn Khaldun, Scholar 1 5
Icarus, The Manchurian 0,25 19
Idalia, Prophet of Guadalajara 0,25 19
Idrissa 0,5 19
Ignacio, The Black Priest 0,25 19
Ignatius 0,25 19
Ignazio Giovanni 0,25 19
Igo the Hungry 0,25 19
Iliana 0,25 19
Ilias cel Frumos 0,25 19
Ilse 0,5 19
Ilyana Ravidovich 0,25 19
Imogen 0,25 19
Inez 'Nurse216' Villagrande 0,25 19
Ingram Frizer 0,5 19
Ingrid Rossler 0,5 19
Ingrid Russo 0,25 19
Iniko, The Black Lion 0,25 19
Intisar 0,25 19
Ira Rivers 0,25 19
Iris Bennett 0,25 19
Isabel Giovanni 5 2
Isabel de Leon 1 5
Isanwayen 0,5 19
Ismitta 0,5 19
Isouda de Blaise 0,25 19
Itzahk Levine 0,25 19
Ivan Krenyenko 0,25 19
Izhim abd Azrael 0,25 19
J. Oswald `Ozzy` Hyde-White 0,25 19
Jack 0,25 19
Jack 'Hannibal137' Harmon 0,5 19
Jack Dawson 0,5 19
Jack Dawson (ADV) 0,25 19
Jack Drake 0,25 19
Jack Tredegar 0,5 19
Jackie 0,25 19
Jacko 0,25 19
Jackson Asher 0,25 19
Jacob Bragg 0,25 19
Jacob Fermor 0,25 19
Jacob, The Glitch 0,25 19
Jacques Molay 0,25 19
Jaggedy Andy 0,25 19
Jalal Sayad 0,25 19
Jalan-Aajav 0,25 19
Jamal 0,25 19
Jan Pieterzoon 0,5 19
Jan Pieterzoon (ADV) 0,5 19
Jane Sims 0,25 19
Janet Langer 0,5 19
Janey Pickman 0,5 19
Janine 0,25 19
Jann Berger 0,5 19
Janni 0,25 19
Jara Drory 0,25 19
Jaroslav Pascek 1 5
Jason, The World`s Voice 0,25 19
Javier Montoya 0,25 19
Jayakumar 0,25 19
Jayne Jonestown 0,25 19
Jazz Wentworth 0,25 19
Jefferson Foster 0,25 19
Jeffrey Mullins 0,25 19
Jennie 'Cassie247' Orne 1 5
Jennifer 'Flame61' Vidisania 0,25 19
Jephta Hester 0,2

From the Rulings page:

An effect which would cause (a new) combat cannot be used if there is already a pending combat queued. [RTR 20020501]

Now, all depends on how you interpret "Pending".
Here are a couple of examples:

A plays Bum's Rush on B. A gets blocked by C.
In the resulting combat, if A plays Torrent to continue the action, (which means that, if the action is successful, a new combat will happen):

• C can play Blissful Agony, and the "continue the action" part from Torrent will be lost (General Rulings)
• C can play sup' Psyche! (and the "continue the action" part will be lost) (General Rulings)

Now, say A gets blocked by C, and D plays Siren's Lure. E now blocks. The results above still apply.

The idea is that the SL combat happens "late enough" (past resolution), whereas Psyche!, Blissful Agony, Hidden Lurker et al. combat all resolve immediately.

Said differently, Siren's Lure has its own "pending window" (which means you can't play two Siren's Lure on the same action, [LSJ 20020123] ).

Therefore it looks like we have (as far as I can see) four "pending combat windows":
- The classic block window (when Ali Kar blocks your Bum's Rush on AMaravati)
- The classic resolution window (when you enter in combat with Amaravati)
- The less-classical Yawp Court window (which follows its own rulings regarding Psyche! vs damage)
- The special Siren's Lure window

In each window, the ruling above applies. It doesn't extend to other windows.

Pascal wrote:

Thanks for the catch.
"Sup' Blissful Agony cannot be played if the opposing plays sup' Blissful Agony" is the valid ruling.

Siren's Lure won't disallow the play of sup BA.

Pascal - can you explain the metaphysics behind this as i've been following ruling [1] for sometime as it made sense [the card isn't queuing when it's played as it's not resolved at that stage]

Especially as your thoughts on Siren's Lure and BA interaction seems to go the other way [why would SL NOT prevent a BA being played at SUP if a BA at SUP prevents a BA at sup being played?????]

Thanks for the catch.
"Sup' Blissful Agony cannot be played if the opposing plays sup' Blissful Agony" is the valid ruling.

Siren's Lure won't disallow the play of sup BA.