file V5 Camarilla and Anarch books - what do they mean for V:TES?

06 Nov 2018 16:30 #91693 by BenPeal
The PDFs for the V5 Camarilla and Anarchs sourcebooks have been sent to those who've pre-ordered and will be available to everyone else on November 7.. There's some very intriguing material in there. What are your thoughts about the books, particularly as they pertain to V:TES?

www.facebook.com/whitewolfpublishing/posts/10156439648360465?__tn__=C-R

Major stuff I've come across so far:

- Gangrel and Brujah have split from the Camarilla and are now Anarchs. Theo Bell assassinates Hardestadt and goes Anarch. There remains a Camarilla-loyal faction of Brujah called the Hellenes.

- The Assamite followers of Haqim are now known as the Banu Haqim (with their own clan symbol) and have joined the Camarilla. Quietus is incorporated into Blood Sorcery (formerly known as Thaumaturgy).

- The Followers of Set are now known as The Ministry, were rejected by the Camarilla, and many of them are Anarchs. They now have Protean instead of Serpentis. They call their use of Protean "Serpentis", but they can Earth Meld and such. Indications are that previous Serpentis powers will become Presence-Protean amalgam powers.

Oh and you'll love who the Prince of Dublin is.

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06 Nov 2018 20:08 #91694 by LivesByProxy
The 2nd Inquisition blew up the Tremere HQ in Vienna killing a bunch of elders but... that doesn't make a lot of sense... how did a bunch of mortals ambush and bomb vampires with AUSPEX++? They had stuff like Premonitions, Eagle's Sight, Clairvoyance, Psychic Projection, Precognition, and Pulse of the Canaille. How did these guys not see this coming?

Furthermore, I thought the premise of the Masquerade was that the vampires were pulling the strings behind in all the positions of power around the world - that the CIA and MI6 and such were ultimately being manipulated by some vampire behind the scenes dominating the chiefs / directors of the various intel agencies.

But this isn't the case apparently. The Camarilla had no-one inside these agencies apparently that could've given them the heads-up that a 2nd Inquisition was upon them. It also took these agencies finding a computer terminal connected to ShreckNet to realize that vampires were a legit thing - nevermind the Sabbat creating armies of shovelheads and war ghouls to throw at Camarilla cities.

Half of the elders ran off to the Middle East for some reason? Werewolves and Mages still uphold the Masquerade for some reason?

I do like the new emphasis on hunger (frenzy) and hunting (make we could get some cool hunting grounds?) Changing generation to blood potency was a good move IMO.

The Nosferatu aren't really ugly or disfigured anymore. The Malkavians don't have Dementation as a clan-defining (unique) discipline. Quietus is incorporated into Thaumaturgy, but Necromancy isn't? Calling Thaumaturgy 'Blood Sorcery' is lame IMO, since you can get more conceptual mileage out of the former.

Some of the pictures are nice. Others are bad. I pray VTES never decides to go with the photo-shoot / still-image look. It would make for terrible looking cards.

All in all, I think VTES would be better off taking inspiration from (and liberty with) any source material. Swearing an oath of fealty to WW's canon and lore means you have to live with all of their mistakes and bad ideas.

:gang: :CEL: :FOR: :PRO: :cap6: Gangrel. Noddist. Camarilla. Once each turn, LivesByProxy may burn 1 blood to lose Protean :PRO: until the end of the turn and gain your choice of superior Auspex :AUS:, Obfuscate :OBF:, or Potence :POT: for the current action.

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07 Nov 2018 02:30 #91696 by Klaital
There is some misconceptions here...

First of, the Camarila are the ones who TOLD the second inquisition about vampires because they wanted to manipulate them and use them as weapons against the Sabbat, like Jalan-Aajav was mentioned being the first notable vampire that got destroyed by them, however, just like it did with the first inquisition, that blew on their faces and the second inquisition ended up turning against them and striking at Camarilla as well, destroying their powerbases in London, Berlin, and Vienna.

Second, the elders went to middle east because they were called there by the clan founders to fight in the gehenna war against supposedly the Sabbat, kind of like how Zapahustra tried calling the Ravnos to his aid but they refused which is why the whole Week of Nightmares happened.

And Nosferatu are still ugly, they get the repulsive flaw automatically, which is basically equivalent to having appearance 0 in the old system (as appearance is no longer a stat, but instead there are apperance related flaws and merits you can get that increase or decrease your social skills in appropriate situations).

Dementation is now a combination power of Dominate and Obfuscate, so it still exists.

Necromancy will likely be included in blood sorcery also when they actually release it for the v5. They only have the core camarilla clans out so far (and for whatever werid reason decided to include Quietus even though there aren't assamites as player characters yet). Protean and Serpentis always had lot of overlap so combining those makes sense.
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07 Nov 2018 04:51 #91697 by Boris The Blade

Theo Bell assassinates Hardestadt and goes Anarch.

Isn't that already Theo Bell advanced? He could be errated as anarch instead of independent.

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07 Nov 2018 05:38 #91698 by BenPeal

Theo Bell assassinates Hardestadt and goes Anarch.

Isn't that already Theo Bell advanced? He could be errated as anarch instead of independent.


Yep.

Base version:

www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?crypt=416

Advanced version:

www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?crypt=748

Issuing errata or outright replacing him is an option, though I'd prefer to let people play with their cards as printed. I also prefer preserving those versions as snapshots of the World of Darkness at that point in time.

If we were to publish new versions of Theo Bell (or Fatima or any of a number of existing V:TES vampires who are prominent in V5) it would likely be necessary to create a new structure/rule/mechanic/whatever to allow for multiple versions and varying grouping numbers.

Ideally, we'd be able to have different snapshots of characters across the World of Darkness timeline, with the grouping numbers representing different points in that timeline.

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07 Nov 2018 05:59 #91699 by Ke.

Ideally, we'd be able to have different snapshots of characters across the World of Darkness timeline, with the grouping numbers representing different points in that timeline.


^ This sounds great.

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