file Discard "Trifle"

11 Mar 2013 16:40 #46004 by Count Orlok
Discard "Trifle" was created by Count Orlok
Following the discussion of wallpaper such as "Eyes of the Dead," perhaps we could find a way to make them a little more useful. Perhaps rather than rewriting the numerous junk cards, we could add a little rule with minimal errata.

A master:trifle is a weaker master, so grants an additional master phase. With wallpaper or corner case cards, perhaps we could add a rule that makes them easier to cycle, and thus easier to include in the deck.

So how about something between a burn option and a trifle? You can discard this card to gain an additional discard phase action.

What cards would be benefit from this addition? The first that springs to mind are contracts. They're often a waste of master slots, but probably too strong to be trifles.

I can't think of a good name for this at this point, but I like the concept at least. Would this help some wallpaper find a way into your decks?

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11 Mar 2013 16:57 - 11 Mar 2013 16:58 #46007 by Reyda
Replied by Reyda on topic Re: Discard "Trifle"
Maybe this can be fixed with an event ? Or a master card that says roughly "put this into play with a card from your ash heap or hand on it. You can discard a copy of this card to gain an additional master phase action at the beginning of your turn" or something like that.
This way, you can make fairly good use of a card that turns unusable (eg : taste of vitae when you are surrounded by allies)

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11 Mar 2013 18:02 #46011 by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Discard "Trifle"

What cards would be benefit from this addition? The first that springs to mind are contracts. They're often a waste of master slots, but probably too strong to be trifles.


The Black Hand Contract is trifle, the black hand assamite can constitute a decent crypt (if small compared to the full assamite crypt), and while convenient this option don't seem broken - in fact, it's rarely used even in black hand assamite.

Now, the proposed change is more or less a new burn option. Like all burn option, it should be handled with extra care for two reason :
* card flow is one of the main mechanism of VtES, and regulate the power of some card type like card advantage do at magic.
* there is devious use. Burn option already have given devious strategy, like faster shambling hordes or turbo deck. It does not seem impossible for that to get out of hand with outside the box thinking.

Then again, the need for carefulness don't invalidate an idea.

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