file seeking advice: another crappy deck

05 Aug 2019 02:41 - 05 Aug 2019 02:44 #96142 by Alex O
Played 2 games and ousted first both games..Game one: sat between Brujah Black Cat Arms dealers and Nana ANI. Game 2: Sat between weenie pot and Blood Brothers Mexico City. Deck was effectively worthless both games. On paper it looks strong but seeking advice.

Deck Name: Lily Grind> Anarch grinder with White Lily
Author: Alex Orzulak
Description: White Lily and Hackerspace anarch grinder. With Anarchs in play, Lily Sibyls for Hackerspaces to grind with cheap weapons.

Crypt (15 cards; Capacity min=1 max=8 avg=5.375)
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5x Anarch Convert 1 -none- Caitiff:ANY
1x Joseph O'Grady 7 aus cel DOM FOR Ventrue antitribu:3
1x Katherine Stoddard 4 dom for Ventrue antitribu:3
1x Kyoko Shinsegawa 5 aus cel dom for Tremere:3
1x Louis Fortier (ADV) 5 aus dom for obf pre Ventrue:4
1x Neighbor John 5 dom for AUS Ventrue antitribu:4
1x Owain Evans, The Wanderer 8 cel pre AUS DOM FOR Ventrue antitribu:3
4x White Lily 8 cel dom for DEM OBF Malkavian antitribu:4

Library: 88 cards

Master (15 cards)
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1x Anarch Free Press, The
1x Giant's Blood
4x Hackerspace
1x Perfectionist
1x Rack, The
1x Rötschreck
3x Vessel
1x Wall Street Night, Financial Newspaper
1x Wider View
1x Dreams of the Sphinx

Action (15 cards)
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2x Far Mastery
9x Govern the Unaligned
4x Sibyl's Tongue

Action Modifier (3 cards)
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3x Memory Rift

Action Modifier/Combat (2 cards)
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2x Swallowed by the Night

Combat (21 cards)
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3x Hidden Strength
5x Rolling with the Punches
5x Taste of Vitae
8x Diversion

Retainer (1 card)
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1x Crypt's Sons

Equipment (7 cards)
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1x Flamethrower
3x Assault Rifle
1x Banshee Ironwail
1x Sengir Dagger
1x Bowl of Convergence

Reaction (24 cards)
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3x Eyes of Argus
5x Guardian Vigil
4x On the Qui Vive
2x Protection Racket
4x Quicken Sight
6x Deflection


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Last edit: 05 Aug 2019 02:44 by Alex O.

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05 Aug 2019 09:09 - 05 Aug 2019 09:10 #96146 by Ankha

Alex O wrote: Played 2 games and ousted first both games..Game one: sat between Brujah Black Cat Arms dealers and Nana ANI. Game 2: Sat between weenie pot and Blood Brothers Mexico City. Deck was effectively worthless both games. On paper it looks strong but seeking advice.

Deck Name: Lily Grind> Anarch grinder with White Lily
Author: Alex Orzulak
Description: White Lily and Hackerspace anarch grinder. With Anarchs in play, Lily Sibyls for Hackerspaces to grind with cheap weapons.


Ok, but what's the strategy? You play both melee weapons and guns. I'd rather focus on close or long range, and considering that you won't play real combat, on long rang to avoid taking damage (or being Grappled). Your crypt is not a grinder crypt considering the lack of superior Fortitude. And if you really want to play grinder, !Ventrue are far better.
No, you want to focus on White Lily and guns! So that should be your guiding light.

Alex O wrote: Crypt (15 cards; Capacity min=1 max=8 avg=5.375)
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5x Anarch Convert 1 -none- Caitiff:ANY
1x Joseph O'Grady 7 aus cel DOM FOR Ventrue antitribu:3
1x Katherine Stoddard 4 dom for Ventrue antitribu:3
1x Kyoko Shinsegawa 5 aus cel dom for Tremere:3
1x Louis Fortier (ADV) 5 aus dom for obf pre Ventrue:4
1x Neighbor John 5 dom for AUS Ventrue antitribu:4
1x Owain Evans, The Wanderer 8 cel pre AUS DOM FOR Ventrue antitribu:3
4x White Lily 8 cel dom for DEM OBF Malkavian antitribu:4

You don't need that many vampires. First of all, you must draw White Lily in your starting crypt. Then, you won't get that many vampires out.

I see you want to play celerity, which is a good thing to get maneuvers and additional strikes. There are a lot of cheaper vampire with cel / dom that are interesting: The other option would be OBF/dom (to get stealth and maneuvers with Swallowed by the Night) but the crypt is very expensive, so we'll forget that,

1x Mustafa, The Heir 6 FOR PRE cel dom prince Ventrue:4
1x Vassily Taltos 6 aus cel chi dom for obf Ravnos:4
1x Cristos Mantigo 5 aus cel dom obf pre !Toreador:3
1x Kyoko Shinsegawa 5 aus cel dom for Tremere:3
1x Victor Pelletier 5 PRE cel dom for Ventrue:4
1x Wah Chun-Yuen 5 POT cel dom pre !Brujah:3
1x Mosfair 4 cel dom tha !Tremere:4
1x Sheva Carr 4 aus cel dom Toreador:5

Mustafa and Victor could help you going the Prince way (Parity Shift). If you want to play Anarch, Victor is still a good vampire.

Alex O wrote: Master (15 cards)
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1x Anarch Free Press, The
1x Giant's Blood
4x Hackerspace
1x Perfectionist
1x Rack, The => what for?
1x Rötschreck => unreliable, unless you play a lot more of Flamethrowers
3x Vessel => not enough
1x Wall Street Night, Financial Newspaper => WRMH is far better
1x Wider View
1x Dreams of the Sphinx

Alex O wrote: Action (15 cards)
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2x Far Mastery => considering most vampires have only inferior Dominate, it's a bad card.
9x Govern the Unaligned
4x Sibyl's Tongue => I'm not convinced. It means that your deck is so bad you need to search for the cards you need instead of just drawing them.

No Make the Misere? or any other rush? Not a lot of them, but it can help you cycle your combat cards or shoot the right minion at the right time.

Alex O wrote: Action Modifier (3 cards)
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3x Memory Rift

Why not.

Alex O wrote: Action Modifier/Combat (2 cards)
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2x Swallowed by the Night

If you go the Celerity route, put cards that all your vampires can play instead.

Alex O wrote: Combat (21 cards)
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3x Hidden Strength
5x Rolling with the Punches
5x Taste of Vitae
8x Diversion

I'd rather play maneuvers instead of the prevent. Considering that White Lily has inferior Fortitude, you should play Superior Mettle or Skin of Steel instead of Rolling.

Alex O wrote: Retainer (1 card)
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1x Crypt's Sons

Looks good on the paper, but too complicated to make it work.

Alex O wrote: Equipment (7 cards)
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1x Flamethrower
3x Assault Rifle
1x Banshee Ironwail
1x Sengir Dagger
1x Bowl of Convergence

Replace all the weapons by Assault Rifles.

Alex O wrote: Reaction (24 cards)
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3x Eyes of Argus
5x Guardian Vigil
4x On the Qui Vive
2x Protection Racket
4x Quicken Sight
6x Deflection

It looks good, but intercept/fight is very complicated to balance (too much combat when you need intercept, too much intercept when you need combat). I'd drop a few intercept cards, put more Conditioning.

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Last edit: 05 Aug 2019 09:10 by Ankha.
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05 Aug 2019 09:18 #96148 by BlueSadDoll
What didn't work as expected?

When I tried Anarch Convert/Diversion/Guardian Vigil deck (5 Anarch Converts in 12 card crypt) I actually had issues with finding Anarch Converts in my crypt and becoming anarchs in order to play the anarch cards. In an environment you described I could imagine being able to play diversions is key.

It feels like there is are many goals in the deck. Which one is the one?

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13 Aug 2019 03:47 #96253 by Alex O
Thanks. My goal was anarch wallish "grinder" but too unfocused. I want to keep focus on Lily, Owain, and O'Grady, adding Juggler to optimize guns, and make it multiacting rush/bleed. couple of small vamps with for and dom to keep pressure on with Governs. I'm dropping intercept in favor of rush actions, Governs, and FOR cel combat.

Deck Name: Lily Grind
Author: Orzulak
Description:
Black Hand Anarch rush/bleed with bounce and cheap guns.

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=1 max=8 avg=5.08)
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4x Anarch Convert 1 Caitiff:ANY
1x Joseph O'Grady 7 aus cel DOM FOR !Ventrue:3
1x Juggler 7 obf pot CEL DOM Brujah:3
1x Lana Butcher 3 dom for Ventrue:3
2x Owain Evans, The Wanderer 8 cel pre AUS DOM FOR !Ventrue:3
3x White Lily 8 cel dom for DEM OBF !Malkavian:4

Library (90 cards)
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Master (14)
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Fame
1x Fortitude
4x Hackerspace
1x Channel 10
1x Twilight Camp (4 Converts sometimes is not enough)
2x Vessel
2x Villein

Action (12)
8x Govern the Unaligned
4x Make the Misere

Equipment (8)
7x Assault Rifle
1x Ivory Bow

Action Modifier (15)
4x Conditioning
5x Forced March
2x Freak Drive
4x Memory Rift

Reaction (17)
8x Deflection
2x Delaying Tactics
4x On the Qui Vive
3x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Combat (24)
8x Diversion
5x Flash
6x Skin of Steel
5x Taste of Vitae

Created with Secret Library v0.9.4e. (Aug 13, 2019 06:42:13)

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13 Aug 2019 03:51 #96254 by Alex O
I've played Anarch Owain decks quite a bit. 5 Converts really should be enough with 1 or 2 Wider Views. Yah my original deck was too unfocused. Next version is dropping intercept for rush, more bleed, and just deflections.
Thoughts?

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08 Sep 2019 09:53 - 08 Sep 2019 09:55 #96860 by Bloodartist

Alex O wrote:
Deck Name: Lily Grind
Author: Orzulak
Description:
Black Hand Anarch rush/bleed with bounce and cheap guns.


This deck list seems okay at a glance. I might consider turning conditionings into bonding simply because sometimes you just wanna try to punch the bleed thru instead of using just bruise bleed. Another option is seduction, which might determine you succeed to equip at a crucial moment. Another card to consider is haven uncovered (or maybe even frontal assault), because with it, all your vampires get to rush during same turn, and you might have issues with combat ends if you dont get enough rushes.

Difficulty in dealing with combat ends may hamper your ability to oust.

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Last edit: 08 Sep 2019 09:55 by Bloodartist.

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