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16 Sep 2014 21:05 #65492 by Jeff Kuta
Annazir has +1 bleed and a built-in steal location or equipment special.

Xeper has a built-in steal ally special.

While neither special directly ousts, it seems they are going to frequently be worthwhile actions to take. MKAtW as multi-acting makes some kind of sense, especially with Condemnation: Mute.

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17 Sep 2014 04:14 #65496 by Ankha

Jeff Kuta wrote: Annazir has +1 bleed and a built-in steal location or equipment special.

Xeper has a built-in steal ally special.

While neither special directly ousts, it seems they are going to frequently be worthwhile actions to take. MKAtW as multi-acting makes some kind of sense, especially with Condemnation: Mute.

Sure, multiacting is great. But using a political card that costs blood and that requires the oldest vampire to play is not a good way to achieve this, at least in this kind of deck.

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17 Sep 2014 14:27 #65517 by Jeff Kuta

Ankha wrote:

Sure, multiacting is great. But using a political card that costs blood and that requires the oldest vampire to play is not a good way to achieve this, at least in this kind of deck.[/quote]

Someone is having success with it. That's a good sign the idea merits further exploration.

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17 Sep 2014 14:44 - 17 Sep 2014 14:47 #65520 by Ankha

Jeff Kuta wrote: Someone is having success with it. That's a good sign the idea merits further exploration.

Is it?
The smaller the tournament, the higher the chance of winning it whatever the deck (because it's far easier to reach the final). It's one of the reason why the TWDA don't include tournaments with less than 10 players.

I'm not saying that the deck is bad, but I'd rather hear Josu say that MKAtW was a great addition and explain the context rather than conclude that it is good because it has won a 9-players tournament.

(An extreme example would be someone playing plenty of copies of a clanhoser and winning a tournament because his prey plays that clan. Is the clanhoser a good card because someone won one tournament with it?)

Anyway, I've given my opinion based on my numerous attempts to use that card in the exact same kind of deck.

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17 Sep 2014 17:05 #65524 by ReverendRevolver

Ankha wrote:

Jeff Kuta wrote: Someone is having success with it. That's a good sign the idea merits further exploration.

Is it?
The smaller the tournament, the higher the chance of winning it whatever the deck (because it's far easier to reach the final). It's one of the reason why the TWDA don't include tournaments with less than 10 players.

I'm not saying that the deck is bad, but I'd rather hear Josu say that MKAtW was a great addition and explain the context rather than conclude that it is good because it has won a 9-players tournament.

(An extreme example would be someone playing plenty of copies of a clanhoser and winning a tournament because his prey plays that clan. Is the clanhoser a good card because someone won one tournament with it?)

Anyway, I've given my opinion based on my numerous attempts to use that card in the exact same kind of deck.


Ive always thought Lutz was the best fit for MkatW, but horde and late group Baali arent bad.

As far as seeing more decks with it......

I can. But, I need lent $600 in cards, and someone to clone me so I can go to work at the same time as flooding twda with a gimmick deck ;)

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17 Sep 2014 19:40 #65529 by Jeff Kuta
Digging back into the TWDA a bit, there are actually 3 Baali decks which use MKAtW.

Maybe someone out there will find the way to take this type of deck to the larger stage. I encourage them to try. There are plenty of ideas out there that have yet to be fully explored.

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