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14 Jun 2020 21:54 #100092 by thelonius reloaded

beslin igor wrote: We need to find rule who can help people who have same crypt(as is case here) not only same star vampires.


What about playing different vampires among the 1500+ printed instead of the 50 one usually sees on twda?

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15 Jun 2020 07:55 - 15 Jun 2020 07:55 #100094 by Bloodartist

beslin igor wrote: We need to find rule who can help people who have same crypt(as is case here) not only same star vampires.


Yes. BCP has released a large number of preconstructed decks at this point, particularly the upcoming 5th edition box. Chances of beginning players playing the exact same deck has increased dramatically lately. Yet another reason why the contest rule needs to be revised.

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15 Jun 2020 09:43 #100096 by Palamedes

Bloodartist wrote:

beslin igor wrote: We need to find rule who can help people who have same crypt(as is case here) not only same star vampires.


Yes. BCP has released a large number of preconstructed decks at this point, particularly the upcoming 5th edition box. Chances of beginning players playing the exact same deck has increased dramatically lately. Yet another reason why the contest rule needs to be revised.


Only with current BCP's products on this day it is possible to make 37 different SINGLE CLAN crypts. And you know...
  • it can be combined;
  • it's easy to get old cards;
  • you can print-on-demand, too;
  • BCP plan to continue producing and reprinting cards. By the end of the year, we will probably have 4 more preconstructed decks with Anarch edition;
  • the old players are in the majority, so the newcomers will mostly play against the old decks.
And the problem has occurred on Lackey, where people are not limited by their collection, but they play only with 30-40 of the same vampires, because they simply copy some TWD list. Laziness and uncreativity, that's the problem, not card pool.
So... Please do not take your words as any valid argument to destroy the existing rules.
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15 Jun 2020 11:42 #100097 by thelonius reloaded

Palamedes wrote: And the problem has occurred on Lackey, where people are not limited by their collection, but they play only with 30-40 of the same vampires, because they simply copy some TWD list. Laziness and uncreativity, that's the problem, not card pool.
So... Please do not take your words as any valid argument to destroy the existing rules.


I don't think to have enough thumbs to thumb you up on this

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15 Jun 2020 18:17 #100103 by beslin igor

thelonius reloaded wrote:

beslin igor wrote: We need to find rule who can help people who have same crypt(as is case here) not only same star vampires.


What about playing different vampires among the 1500+ printed instead of the 50 one usually sees on twda?


ok,we can playing 1500+ different vampires,but contest still can happen,right? what is reason whu people chose more these 50 vampires than another 1450? maybe is these 50 beter? I like to test everything,and whu if i test something someone test same deck too and game is destroyed for both players? how much chance to won have players who contest vampires?
maybe is Nikolay right when say chance to won is 0% with current rules! very fun game with 0% chance to won. in this finals game is clear how is posible to be only 2 winners: Nikica or Predrag

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16 Jun 2020 21:14 #100113 by Poci
Are you legitimately illiterate or something...? Just set an autocorrect up for yourself; it's not perfect, but anything has to be better than what you currently manage.

No sane person wants to have 0% chance at winning, but no sane person wants the currently in-test contest ruling to become an actual ruling either. You do realise that the game is working pretty well with the original rule, right? If you play with that certain 50 (more like 20) vamps, you expect to contest. That is the only thing that keeps these vampires at least somewhat balanced, if you didn't realize it yet.

You really want to see 2-3 people contesting most of their crypt every single game? Is that what you really pushing for with this dumb rule and your supposedly testing focused league (which doesn't do anything to test it, really)? I think you just really want to make a permanent mark on the game to be able to state that you actively participated in something that changed it to it's core, be it beneficial to it or outright ruining it.
Lackey is not even a legitimate platform for the game in this sense, so even if it would yield any result, it should never influence any kind of decisions.
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