card ideas: more ado about the gangrel antitribu

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Ashur wrote:

I have many times suggested a similar concept, but for any low-cap Sabbat vamps. The Pack-idea in the Sabbat is almost invisible in VTES.

Giving halfway decent boosts to small cap vampires is pretty tricky in V:TES.

Your common or garden pack/coterie/gang/something in WoD is often a slightly mixed bag, which partly reflects what player characters tend to do. Yeah, it might be biased one way or the other, but there's often several different clans and such. It gives the players different options when facing a problem, and it can give the Storyteller options in reverse - oh, they've taken the unexpected diplomatic option, so BillyBob the Setite will...

Obviously, there are some exceptions. Some clans - particularly the Giovanni and the Tremere - interact less fluidly with the outside world. That sort of banding together tends to be reasonably represented-ish in clan cards, though.


In V:TES, 90% of decks are focused around common disciplines and/or clans. A weenie deck isn't a mixed bag of a !Ventrue with Fortitude and Dominate, a Lasombra maxed out on Obtenebration and Potence, and that Pander with Protean and Thaumaturgy. No, it's a lean, mean 100% Dominate machine. It's already competitive, it's already a problem for many decks to deal with - so adding a choice of extra, potentially powerful options on top is inviting things to get painful.

You could, potentially, start putting together a card that says "Requires three Sabbat vampires of under X capacity with at least Y different disciplines" - but no-one plays decks like that.