Submission: Wulfgar

An idea I had that could start looking at the roads in Dark Ages. The roads are kind of like the paths. Wulfgar walked the Road of Kings.

Name: Wulfgar
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Gangrel
Level: Basic
Group: 5
Capacity: 8
Discipline: PRO FOR AUS ani pot

(Card text)
Independent: Recruiting mortal allies or putting a vampire into play cost Wulfgar 1 less blood or pool.

Art notes: Wulfgar roams the lands of Scandinavia wearing an animal pelt and carrying a walking stick. Excitement fills the villages of Iceland when this bearded figure approaches.

World of Darkness reference: Road of Kings p.96

How does this card address a compelling game need?: This card explores the vampires who chose to "walk" the roads of the Cainites in Vampire: Dark Ages.

Created by: Andy Fernandez

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Independent: 2 votes (titled). Wulfgar cannot be the target of frenzy cards played by other methuselahs.

Independent: 1 vote (titled). Wulfgar may take a +1 stealth action to ghoul a mortal ally. Allies ghouled by Wulfgar are considered non-mortal and may play protean cards as a vampire with basic protean.

Wulfgar is 5th Gen, so that'd make him more of a 10-cap.

Animalism 5, Auspex 3, Fortitude 5, Potence 5, Presence 3, Protean 6, so disciplines could look like:



Potentially bumping up to and/or to .

Protean of 6 could be plus a Protean-themed special.

"He Embraces rarely, since he prefers to limit the number of his childer, although he has created progeny over the years."

"Rather than Embracing, Wulfgar prefers to make ghouls of his most promising warriors, giving them great strength and savagery without making them into potential rivals."

Seems like he shouldn't have a special pertaining to bringing vampires into play. Also, Allies 1 in his Backgrounds doesn't scream "give me an ally special". However, Retainers 5 plus his story bit about creating ghouls makes me think a retainer-related special is in order.

Why not a Demdemeh-like special ?

Or something along the line of :
"During your untap phase, if Wulfgar is ready, he can recruit a retainer from your hand. Cost and requirement apply as normal"

Timo wrote:

Why not a Demdemeh-like special ?

Or something along the line of :
"During your untap phase, if Wulfgar is ready, he can recruit a retainer from your hand. Cost and requirement apply as normal"

With a ghouling background, I'd also add something like "Give that retainer an additional life." But then the more general question is whether a V:TES 10 cap would want lots of retainers. Possibly - getting JS Simmons and Tasha for free isn't entirely shabby. But many others? Wolf Companion and friends are usually a bit poo. If we're dropping to minor Auspex, Raven Spy, Raptor etc. feel a bit less exciting, now I can't play Eagle Sight or have an awesome blocking special. And if I'm putting enough retainers in my deck to make such a special reasonably worthwhile, are other vampires also having to play them?


Looking at fatties in group 4/5, the Gangrel don't really seem to come out of it with a solid ousting strategy - Group 2 gets them Ingrid and Stanislava, which gives them titles and Dominate to add on to their other assets. In 4/5:

Ariadne (g5, 8) gets ANI/PRO/FOR/chi, and extra blood when hunting.
Randal (g4, 8) gets ANI/PRO/FOR/AUS, a one vote title, and a combat special.
Viktor (g5, 9) is more of a city Gangrel, with obf/ANI/CEL/PRO/PRE
Gwyedd (g4, 10) gets you ANI/DEM/FOR/POT/PRO/tem, primogen, anti-blocking special. Dementation is cool, as is Tem, but little synergy with anyone else.
Mictlan (g5, 10) gets you pre/pro/ANI/FOR/POT/THA, and some combat/diablerie specials.
Fakir (g4, 11) gets you abo/ANI/FOR/PRE/PRO/THA, some anti-vote special, +strength, +bleed.


So I'm not really feeling like group 4/5 (or a future 5/6) is getting much out of another huge Gangrel with POT/ANI/FOR/pro+. Inferior Presence is giving me not that much ousting power over Deep Song, given Aire of Elation is a bit expensive just for the inferior, and again a slight awkwardness in synergy with the rest of 4/5.


It's not feeling - so far - like a vampire who makes me think "Ooh, there's a cool deck idea" or "He's a must for..." or "That shoddy deck I have will work so much better with..."

Yes but don't forget that an entire new set of gangrel is added in the currently playtested new indy set.

And maybe it is not too late to add a new cool canon-related gangrel ^^ ( I really don't know, juste saying ^^)

jamesatzephyr wrote:

With a ghouling background, I'd also add something like "Give that retainer an additional life." But then the more general question is whether a V:TES 10 cap would want lots of retainers. Possibly - getting JS Simmons and Tasha for free isn't entirely shabby. But many others? Wolf Companion and friends are usually a bit poo. If we're dropping to minor Auspex, Raven Spy, Raptor etc. feel a bit less exciting, now I can't play Eagle Sight or have an awesome blocking special. And if I'm putting enough retainers in my deck to make such a special reasonably worthwhile, are other vampires also having to play them?


So I'm not really feeling like group 4/5 (or a future 5/6) is getting much out of another huge Gangrel with POT/ANI/FOR/pro+.

I thought with superior auspex he would mix well with Randall. You could indeed have ravens and eagle sights. If he is a ten cap, then maybe superior is not out of the question as Ben mentioned. Murder of Crows for free might be nice too.

How about this idea?

Name: Wulfgar
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Gangrel
Level: Basic
Group: 5
Capacity: 10
Discipline: PRO FOR AUS ANI pot pre

Independent: 2 votes (titled). During your untap phase, Wulfgar may attach a retainer (normal costs must be paid). This is not considered an action and cannot be blocked.

Art notes: Wulfgar roams the lands of Scandinavia wearing an animal pelt and carrying a walking stick. Excitement fills the villages of Iceland when this bearded figure approaches.

World of Darkness reference: Road of Kings p.96

How does this card address a compelling game need?: This card explores the vampires who chose to "walk" the roads of the Cainites in Vampire: Dark Ages.

Created by: Andy Fernandez

Independent: 1 vote (titled). Wulfgar may take a +1 stealth action to ghoul a mortal ally. Allies ghouled by Wulfgar are considered non-mortal and may play protean cards as a vampire with basic protean.

I thought this would be an interesting special. Something similar to the card "Ghouled" but giving protean.

Independent: 1 vote (titled). Once per turn, Wulfgar can burn a blood to move a protean card he played during that turn from your ash heap to your hand.

Here is a protean special I thought about.

I love gangrel. But they suck. Thata why i chimed in about adding them to the indy set. Also why im a fan of this aort of suggestions thing.

Just last night, i was thinking about doing another g2 gangrel deck, mostly because of domine. Ingrids thier best prince. Iliana is one of the coolest 7 caps there are for any clan, on size and disciplines alone.

But, Gangrel lack ousting power and bleed defence, always have. Thier other weakness is "remedied" by dog pack and lots of potence splashed.

Coherency would be GREAT in later gangrel. Dementation on one guy, an anti, and a malk having DEM with 2 gangrel in clans is hardly inspiring.

Dominate in the superior with all gangrel inclans and MAYBE little celerity would be neat.

Most gangrel that are almost good need either a bleex discipline, dominate, or +strength.

So, this vampire is hard to give those to. Hes not violent, no dominate, and is the umpteenth big vanp with little aus.

So, maybe assume hes been asleep awhile, and wakes up easy? Gangrel torpor olympics buolds could use a special where if they enter torpor they gain a blood or untap if you burn a pool. Enables stuff, i suppose.

TorranceCircle wrote:

I thought with superior auspex he would mix well with Randall. You could indeed have ravens and eagle sights. If he is a ten cap, then maybe superior is not out of the question as Ben mentioned. Murder of Crows for free might be nice too.

I mildly like the AUS version at 8 cap - it pairs quite well with Randall .

At 10 cap - even with the variety of specials you've suggested - it feels a bit too big when it doesn't have an awesome special like Anneke. Or at least some sort of potent blocky special. I'm still mildly concerned about any 'no action' retainers, simply because that means you have to have lots in your deck to get a reasonable flow of them, while apparently accounting for a reasonable chunk of the 10 cap's notional design points.

So dispensing with canon concerns about precise generations etc., I might go for something like:

The free untap provides flavour without being especially powerful. And that compares well with Anatole or Paul Cordwood . Possibly a bit good compared to Nadima . And I think it's providing a more interesting building block for a deck.