Submission: Sewer Shelter

Nah, Gangrel got shit already. Also, some super powerful singleton vampires.

Nossies are a weird thing lore wise. I got the impression that most nosferatu cards should actually be offered to both Nos proper, as well as antitribu. Unless it's clearly sabbat or camarilla specific, of course.

I like most Nosferatu ideas when they appear. I like this one as well.

I get a feeling that you can't really make too powerful effects for the poor sewer rats. They're not going broke any time soon.

Should there be a clause to enable it only if you have more nossies ready than other clans or something? Anything to do with your own bleed actions? Keep it in play until the end of YOUR phase and make this reacting vampire get -bleed or something? If you attach it, a wacky player could rush the attachee to torpor and resume bleeding those sixes.

Just ideas.

Also, I'd love to get more ideas for Nosferatu ousting power. Everyone thinks that they're frail, which they are, but once again, surviving doesn't win you games. Ousting does. They got Inside Dirt, but did anyone brake the card?

I think I have to dig up those scry+pool damage cards I suggested some time back...

Kraus wrote:

Also, I'd love to get more ideas for Nosferatu ousting power. Everyone thinks that they're frail, which they are, but once again, surviving doesn't win you games. Ousting does. They got Inside Dirt, but did anyone brake the card?

I'm working on a nosferatu deck atm, and I feel that nossies (and by extension !nos) have decent defense via animalism that gives intercept, and good combat via either animalism or potence. I think defense is not as big a problem as their ousting power.

If you want to help !nos specifically, you could give them a retainer that gives permanent +2 bleed for 1 blood cost, with the requirement of only being an !nos. This would allow them to recruit it and then bleed with a big pile of vermin channels . There's your ousting power
To make it even better it could be an animal retainer that you could use pack alpha to recruit.

I already tried to make a deck like this, but so far the only real option for +bleed for this deck is laptop, and its not quite good (or fast) enough.

Kraus wrote:

Should there be a clause to enable it only if you have more nossies ready than other clans or something? Anything to do with your own bleed actions? Keep it in play until the end of YOUR phase and make this reacting vampire get -bleed or something? If you attach it, a wacky player could rush the attachee to torpor and resume bleeding those sixes.

Bloodartist wrote:

I think defense is not as big a problem as their ousting power.

Hmm, wondering if these ideas could be combined? We're always talking about how Dominate is top-tier with bounce. How about a bounce-like effect instead?

Name: Sewer Shelter
Cardtype: Reaction
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Unique. Only usable when a minion is bleeding you for 1 or more.
Put this card in play. You do not burn more than 2 pool when a minion bleeds you, regardless of the amount of the bleed. When you are successfully bled, place a counter from the blood bank for each pool in excess of two on this card. When a Nosefatu antitribu declares a bleed action, they may burn up to two counters from this card. That vampire gets +1 bleed for each counter burned that way. Burn this card at the end of your next turn.

This creates a bounce-like effect that provide defense against large bleeds while generating offense for the coming turn.

Ankha wrote:

Name: Sewer Shelter
Cardtype: Reaction
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Unique. Only usable when a minion is bleeding you for 1 or more.
Put this card in play. You do not burn more than 2 pool when a minion bleeds you, regardless of the amount of the bleed. Burn this card at the end of the minion phase.

I'm not sure Nosferatu antitribu are the more in need of this kind of card, but it's a new option for them anyway.

What do you think? Should it be a Gangrel antitribu card instead?

Truthfully, I don't think this card is good enough. Both Gangrel anti and Nosferatu anti have better options for bleed defense. The real issue is outst potential which both need more options.