file Submission: 12 new Lasombra and a deck.

17 Jul 2018 05:47 #88895 by ReverendRevolver
So, similar to my idea for precons from LK, I had drafted starters trying to highlight strong deck concepts while using newer cards.
Well, Toreador deck needed me to search harder through vtm books for vamps with 4+ dots of celerity. I also was making cards in vanilla ish forms, with clan, discipline spread, and description. Basically, some of the Nosferatu descriptions drew me in to how visuals could be awesome still, then Brujah had many unused characters with very jyhad era art aesthetic. Somehow, many cool things were used from the books I have, but when I was done I'd made it quite far from designing a few filler vamps; I'd made enough new vamps Purely from source materials to basically not have to use existing cards at all, and am therefore submitting these vamps as starter decks of existing cards and all new, group 5&6 vamps.
Alas, I ended up very short on Torries I wanted, and a whopping 15 Lasombra and 13 Tzimisce, Along with plenty of malks n gangrel, reasonable amounts of Brujah and nosferatu, and enough Ventrue princes to make all of G6 ventrue rule a city.

But first, here's my Lasombra:




Deck Name: Sabbat starter Lasombra
Author:
Description:

Crypt (12 cards)

Katherine Schmidt
Lasombra
:cap2:
Short stout woman curly brown hair, glasses
:dom: Katherine gets +1 intercept against Toreador and Toreador Antitribbu.
G6
Cblasp96

Clova Haines, capitalist
Lasombra
:cap3:
Black 28 year old woman with crinkly brown hair wearing business suit
:dom: :obt:
G5
Mcbnp59

Kandy Kaine
Lasombra
:cap4:
Heroine chic model
:dom: :obt: :pot:
G6
Nybnp103

Angelina Shawn
Lasombra
:cap4:
30, African, white hair, grey eyes
:OBT: :dom:
G5
Cbrlasp95

Caridad de flores
Lasombra
:cap5:
Black hair, pale skin, wearing robe of translucent black silk
:DOM: :obt: :pre:
G6
Mcbnp58

Pamela Ford
Lasombra
:cap5:
:dom: :obt: :pot: :pre: :tha:
Business attire tomboy, mid 20s
G6
Sabbat SThandbookp95

Geoffrey Armor
Lasombra
:cap6:
Minions with electronic equipment get -1 intercept while Geoffrey is acting.
Late teens, scraggly blond hair, nice suit
:dom: :obf: :obt: :pot:
G5
Cbrlasp94

Mohammed al-Muthlim
Lasombra
:cap6:
African American of medium build in tailored suit
:DOM: :OBT: :pot: :vic:
G6
Labnp95

Desiree Travilee
Lasombra
Bishop
:cap7:
24, was prebellum southern rich girl before embrace.
:DOM: :aus: :obt: :pot: :vis:
G5
Sabbat ST handbook p92

Esperanza Lucifer
Lasombra
:cap7:
Late teens, leather pants, corset, ribbon around neck. Long brown hair, deep bluegreen eyes.
:DOM: :OBT: :chi: :for: :pot:
G6
V20cotrp121

Lin Baloh
Lasombra
:cap8:
Lin may enter combat with any locked minion as a D action.
Chinese, bald, wraparound sunglasses, Jeans, flannel
:DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cel: :for:
G6
Cblasp100

Carolina Valez (obviously not my creation)
Library: 82 cards



Master (14 cards)
==================
1x Elysian Fields
2x Grooming the Protege
4x Ashur Tablets
2x Path of Night, The
2x Vessel
2x Villein
1x Dreams of the Sphinx

Action (15 cards)
==================
8x Govern the Unaligned
2x Graverobbing
1x Mind Rape
2x Shadow Twin
2x Under Siege

Action Modifier (20 cards)
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1x Foreshadowing Destruction
2x Shadow Play
3x Shroud of Absence
2x Shroud of Night
1x Tenebrous Form
2x Blanket of Night
2x Bonding
2x Command of the Beast
5x Conditioning

Action Modifier/Reaction (1 cards)
==================
1x Murmur of the False Will

Combat (13 cards)
==================
3x Entombment
6x Arms of the Abyss
4x Dark Steel

Ally (7 cards)
==================
7x Nocturn

Retainer (2 cards)
==================
2x Camarilla Vitae Slave

Reaction (10 cards)
==================
4x On the Qui Vive
6x Deflection


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I also had 4 not make the cut, 3 because they are camarilla aligned, one because I had too many in that capacity and wanted an archbishop:
Dino Cerutti
Tall skinny Italian grease monkey
Lasombra
Camarilla
:cap3:
:dom: :pot:
Nybnp94

Vince Cerutti
Muscular Italian in Jersey and khakis
Lasombra
Camarilla
:cap4:
:dom: :obt: :pot:
Nybnp95


Stephen Lenoir
Lasombra
:cap6:
Camarilla
:OBT: :aus: :dom: :for: :pot:
Late 30s Welsh, blond
Victorian London by night p81


Richard B Weinstein, Ductus
Lasombra
:cap5:
Scarred scalp and subsequently "punk rock" hair, Ala sid vicious or Johnny rotten, 6' tall, wears suits.
:DOM: :cel: :obt:
Cbrlasp93

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18 Jul 2018 15:24 #88950 by Lech

ReverendRevolver wrote: Katherine Schmidt
Lasombra
:cap2:
Short stout woman curly brown hair, glasses
:dom: Katherine gets +1 intercept against Toreador and Toreador Antitribbu.
G6
Cblasp96


2 cap with dominate don't need additional upside, i'd rather give her some downside.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Clova Haines, capitalist
Lasombra
:cap3:
Black 28 year old woman with crinkly brown hair wearing business suit
:dom: :obt:
G5
Mcbnp59


why not :pot: :obt: or :pot: :OBT: with some downside, plain dom obt is too s&b themed.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Kandy Kaine
Lasombra
:cap4:
Heroine chic model
:dom: :obt: :pot:
G6
Nybnp103


Yep, good call, perhaps should have some special as otherwise 4 cap with 3 disciplines are not widely played. On the other hand it have dominate.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Angelina Shawn
Lasombra
:cap4:
30, African, white hair, grey eyes
:OBT: :dom:
G5
Cbrlasp95


Why again OBT dom ? doesn't it already have good g3-g4 crypt compared to :OBT: :POT:

ReverendRevolver wrote: Caridad de flores
Lasombra
:cap5:
Black hair, pale skin, wearing robe of translucent black silk
:DOM: :obt: :pre:
G6
Mcbnp58


Again DOM OBT, what is problematic in DOM OBT g3-g4 exactly so you want to push it further?

ReverendRevolver wrote: Pamela Ford
Lasombra
:cap5:
:dom: :obt: :pot: :pre: :tha:
Business attire tomboy, mid 20s
G6
Sabbat SThandbookp95


I mean ok, but other than anarch decks it's kind of worthless.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Geoffrey Armor
Lasombra
:cap6:
Minions with electronic equipment get -1 intercept while Geoffrey is acting.
Late teens, scraggly blond hair, nice suit
:dom: :obf: :obt: :pot:
G5
Cbrlasp94


Kind of up af?

ReverendRevolver wrote: Mohammed al-Muthlim
Lasombra
:cap6:
African American of medium build in tailored suit
:DOM: :OBT: :pot: :vic:
G6
Labnp95


Again, further emphasis on DOM OBT, while it's clear that it's POT OBT that need to be pushed.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Desiree Travilee
Lasombra
Bishop
:cap7:
24, was prebellum southern rich girl before embrace.
:DOM: :aus: :obt: :pot: :vis:
G5
Sabbat ST handbook p92


And again pushing the DOM angle ...

ReverendRevolver wrote: Esperanza Lucifer
Lasombra
:cap7:
Late teens, leather pants, corset, ribbon around neck. Long brown hair, deep bluegreen eyes.
:DOM: :OBT: :chi: :for: :pot:
G6
V20cotrp121


do you know that they have :POT: in clan?

ReverendRevolver wrote: Lin Baloh
Lasombra
:cap8:
Lin may enter combat with any locked minion as a D action.
Chinese, bald, wraparound sunglasses, Jeans, flannel
:DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cel: :for:
G6
Cblasp100


FIRST vampire with :POT: clap clap.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Dino Cerutti
Tall skinny Italian grease monkey
Lasombra
Camarilla
:cap3:
:dom: :pot:
Nybnp94


Pretty standard, again dom.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Vince Cerutti
Muscular Italian in Jersey and khakis
Lasombra
Camarilla
:cap4:
:dom: :obt: :pot:
Nybnp95


Lasombra already have biggest problem out of all clan with creating midcap sabbat deck, they have bigger issues than city gangrels atm in this department.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Stephen Lenoir
Lasombra
:cap6:
Camarilla
:OBT: :aus: :dom: :for: :pot:
Late 30s Welsh, blond
Victorian London by night p81


Another up vampire.

ReverendRevolver wrote: Richard B Weinstein, Ductus
Lasombra
:cap5:
Scarred scalp and subsequently "punk rock" hair, Ala sid vicious or Johnny rotten, 6' tall, wears suits.
:DOM: :cel: :obt:
Cbrlasp93


out of all those vampires, all have dominate. 5 don't have even :pot:, 2 don't even have :obt:. Just one have :POT:, 6 have :DOM:, 5 have :OBT: . Not many of them have any interesting special. What you wanted to showcase here exactly ? Bottom tier Jyhad like vampires ? I mean, yeah the precon idea is fine, but design sounds rushed, lot of design space got ignored and you focused on just giving them dominate ...


:laso: :CEL: :DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cap8:
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

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18 Jul 2018 16:24 #88960 by ReverendRevolver
Ah,

But I'm not giving or really even inflating the prevalence of the non :pot: in clans:

Every one of these vampires, along with literally every vampire I will ever submit from source has the disciplines and 4dots+= superior, nothing less

The deck part I'll admit, potence isn't what Lasombra do well, so its downplayed.

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18 Jul 2018 17:39 #88967 by Lech
Well, the characters from source often have under or overtuned disciplines and it highly depend on book the character is from. But as stated multiple times gameplay>source, and the character sheets are multiple time just rough estimation of power in some space of time, so it's ok to make level 3 potence fit as :POT:, and it's also ok to ignore some disciplines (making "past times" version of vampire).

:laso: :CEL: :DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cap8:
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

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05 Aug 2018 14:39 #89663 by Boris The Blade
The Lasombra could use a better titled crypt. Following the discussion on :pot:, I was toying with the idea of a Eurobrujah-like deck in Lasombra to remove :cel:, but there are just not enough titled mid-caps available to play Under Siege.

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06 Aug 2018 06:17 #89684 by ReverendRevolver

Boris The Blade wrote: The Lasombra could use a better titled crypt. Following the discussion on :pot:, I was toying with the idea of a Eurobrujah-like deck in Lasombra to remove :cel:, but there are just not enough titled mid-caps available to play Under Siege.


A shame, since !tremere and !ventrue have ample bishops, but not the Keepers of the Sabbat. Truly, the absence of a way to deal with hit back has hampered Lasombra into not using potence. In guide to the high clans from VtDA, :obt: has a way to summon armor with just :obt: and also Amory of the Abyss which has :obt: combined with :for: and or :pot: to create armor and or weapons from shadows.

Now, its only a small stretch to justify like 2 Canon vamps I submitted here attained being a bishop since the book they're from was published (especially since several would be 20 years back now) especially given the canon wars the Sabbat faces in the current Canon pulled from becketts Jyhad diaries (civil war, multi front war with Cam, and scraps in bastions like Montreal even) .
Its even easier to justify the 2 ways obtenebration has in source to prevent. Good thing we are back in print. Lasombra may actually get some non-stealthbleed variant options.

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