combat rebalancing
31 Mar 2016 17:54 - 01 Apr 2016 07:53 #76144
by Robert Scythe
This is not what corner case means. Corner case is when you are playing a Faithful Servant bloat deck without much intercept and find yourself packing The Deadliest Sin so you can protect your investment. If you play those clans or disciplines and would like a better chance for your combat to be effective then you utilize those listed cards. Seen less often? Yes. Corner case? No. By that type of reckoning War Ghouls are corner case to Shambling Hordes because only 1 clan can bring out a Warghoul but 4 clans and any vamp with Nec can pull out a Horde.
Replied by Robert Scythe on topic combat rebalancing
Their corner case is in their requirements.
There are the following clans with Potence in-clan and hence likely to use IG:
Brujah
Brujah Anti
Nosferatu
Nosferatu Anti
Osebo
Guruhi
Lasombra
Giovanni
Blood Bro
There are the following clans able to use Death Seeker:
Salubri Anti
There are the following clans with Chimerstry in-clan:
Ravnos
The are the following clans with Animalism and Auspex in-clan:
Tzimisce
There are the following clans with Maleficia in-clan:
(None)
So yes, they are corner case in comparison with Immortal Grapple because they are comparatively difficult to access.
This is not what corner case means. Corner case is when you are playing a Faithful Servant bloat deck without much intercept and find yourself packing The Deadliest Sin so you can protect your investment. If you play those clans or disciplines and would like a better chance for your combat to be effective then you utilize those listed cards. Seen less often? Yes. Corner case? No. By that type of reckoning War Ghouls are corner case to Shambling Hordes because only 1 clan can bring out a Warghoul but 4 clans and any vamp with Nec can pull out a Horde.
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01 Apr 2016 04:00 #76164
by Juggernaut1981
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Actually that would be the logic I'd use yes.
Shamblers are not as strong as War Ghouls, but they are also less corner-cased than War Ghouls.
Sure people focus decks on a War Ghoul, and designing new cards that may be utilised by a War Ghoul is a thought worth having... but ease of use of the card (i.e. How common are its requirements to play?) is important on how 'corner case' it may be.
2nd Tradition is a more corner-cased Wake card than Eyes of Argus. I'm not saying you won't see significant play with 2nd Trad because of its power, but there are more vampires with Auspex at Superior than Princes.
Shamblers are not as strong as War Ghouls, but they are also less corner-cased than War Ghouls.
Sure people focus decks on a War Ghoul, and designing new cards that may be utilised by a War Ghoul is a thought worth having... but ease of use of the card (i.e. How common are its requirements to play?) is important on how 'corner case' it may be.
2nd Tradition is a more corner-cased Wake card than Eyes of Argus. I'm not saying you won't see significant play with 2nd Trad because of its power, but there are more vampires with Auspex at Superior than Princes.
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01 Apr 2016 07:43 - 01 Apr 2016 07:56 #76167
by Robert Scythe
Replied by Robert Scythe on topic combat rebalancing
You are still just trying to make this term work for a definition that you would like it to and sound like Alanis Morissette convincing us that ironic means what she thinks it means. Corner case does not mean 'less common'. Rarely or 'not as often' may be what you are looking for here but definitely not corner case, I've given you an example of that. For that matter, of my current combat decks that want to get by SCE/Dodge: 2 use IG ,1 Psyche!, whilst 5 use the other cards listed, including The Jones, Hah. Well, 3 also use Telepathic Tracking but that wasn't in the discussion.
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01 Apr 2016 08:16 - 01 Apr 2016 08:16 #76168
by brettscho
Check out my VTES blog: Gaming with BS
I also host a google doc which separates the TWDA into clans . That means I track how often clans win, which crypt groups get used, and how many people attend events. You can access all of that info here:
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I think the point was that you see Immortal Grapple more often than say Death Seeker because more vampires are able to effectively use it. Difficult to argue against that, regardless of one's opinion on what "Corner Case" means when applied to card games.
Check out my VTES blog: Gaming with BS
I also host a google doc which separates the TWDA into clans . That means I track how often clans win, which crypt groups get used, and how many people attend events. You can access all of that info here:
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01 Apr 2016 14:20 #76182
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
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Death Seeker is VERY much less cornercase than Immortal Grapple. Death Seeker is a super-versatile combat card, while IG is just to counter non-hand strikes. That just a few vamps can play it is not = cornercase.
Personally I think balancing Death Seekers power versus that just a few vamps that can play it is a strange thing, but it kind of works
Personally I think balancing Death Seekers power versus that just a few vamps that can play it is a strange thing, but it kind of works
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01 Apr 2016 16:51 #76186
by talonz
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OP has presented solutions without defining the problems.
Fail.
Fail.
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