Additional strikes?

From rulebook:
Additional Strikes: Some cards and effects allow a minion to make additional strikes during the current round of combat. Additional strikes are announced (gained) and performed (used) only after the first pair of strikes are completed. The acting minion decides whether or not to gain additional strikes before the opposing minion, as usual. Additional strikes are handled by having another choose strike phase and resolve strike phase in which only the minions with additional strikes may play strike cards. All additional strikes take place at the same range. This is repeated as necessary. A minion cannot use more than one card or effect to gain additional strikes per round of combat.

When are additional strikes gained?
1. Only after initial strike resolution?
2. Or is there new opportunity to gain more strikes later?

This is mainly for purposes of cards like Hell for Leather, that give additional strikes that don't count against the one source limit.
e.g. could you play blur, play some strike cards, replace to Hell for Leather and then play it to gain one more strike?

Yup, the question came up yesterday during casual game.


Do you play additional strikes them like maneuvers/press (alternating between players)?

So do you declare all additional stikes at the same time and then start resolving them?

Or after resolving the first additional stike, are you able to play a card enabling you to play an additional stike to be played during the "2nd additional stike's" resolution, especially if you didn't play an additional strike for the "1st additional stike" while the opponent did?


Example from yesterday:
Jimmy Dunn (4 blood), the acting minion is blocked by Alcoan (4 blood and .44 Magnum).

Alcoan moves to long with Magnum and Jimmy Throws a Sewer Lid.

Jimmy declines additional strikes.
Alcoan Blurs taking 2 additional strikes.
Jimmy doesn't have any more long range strikes but does have Pursuit and Sidestep (enabling him to play additional strike and thus play Dodge from Sidestep which would mean that he wouldn't go to torpor since he has only 2 blood left after the initial strikes).


So can Jimmy, after initially declining to play additional strikes, still play an additional strike when Alcoan declared his additional stikes? (which would be similar to maneuvering/pressing)

Or after Alcaen's 1st additional strike is resolved can Jimmy now play Pursuit to be able to play his first additional stike during Alcaen's 2nd aditional strike?

Or does Jimmy just have to suck it?

strikes are resolved as pairs

I would go for the first option of those three, Lönkkä.

Lönkka wrote:

So can Jimmy, after initially declining to play additional strikes, still play an additional strike when Alcoan declared his additional stikes? (which would be similar to maneuvering/pressing)

Standard priority rules: if the reacting minion plays something, priority goes back to the acting and the window does not close, so Jimmy can play his Pursuit now.

Whisker wrote:

From rulebook:
Additional Strikes: Some cards and effects allow a minion to make additional strikes during the current round of combat. Additional strikes are announced (gained) and performed (used) only after the first pair of strikes are completed. The acting minion decides whether or not to gain additional strikes before the opposing minion, as usual. Additional strikes are handled by having another choose strike phase and resolve strike phase in which only the minions with additional strikes may play strike cards. All additional strikes take place at the same range. This is repeated as necessary. A minion cannot use more than one card or effect to gain additional strikes per round of combat.

When are additional strikes gained?
1. Only after initial strike resolution?
2. Or is there new opportunity to gain more strikes later?

This is mainly for purposes of cards like Hell for Leather, that give additional strikes that don't count against the one source limit.
e.g. could you play blur, play some strike cards, replace to Hell for Leather and then play it to gain one more strike?

2.
You can play cards to gain additional strikes
- after any strike resolution
- if you don't have unresolved additional strikes
- you are limited to one card providing additional strikes (as always, Golden Rule of Cardtext applies. If you have a Quickness, a Blur, a Hell for Leather and an Anarch Jacko, you could get 2 normal add strikes, and 3 add strikes not counting against the limit)

What's interesting to notice: pairs of strikes have to be resolved simultaneously, but the additional strikes for these pairs can be gained separately. For instance, if Appolonius is in combat with Jimmy Dunn, and Jimmy plays sup' Blur (gaining 2 add), Appolonius can play some prevention card on the first additional stike, and then play a Blur, to dodge Jimmy's second strike.

Non-existant user wrote:

Lönkka wrote:

So can Jimmy, after initially declining to play additional strikes, still play an additional strike when Alcoan declared his additional stikes? (which would be similar to maneuvering/pressing)

Standard priority rules: if the reacting minion plays something, priority goes back to the acting and the window does not close, so Jimmy can play his Pursuit now.

Correct. Acting Jimmy can still declare gaining an additional strike after Alcoan gains an additional strike.

Pascal wrote:

What's interesting to notice: pairs of strikes have to be resolved simultaneously, but the additional strikes for these pairs can be gained separately. For instance, if Appolonius is in combat with Jimmy Dunn, and Jimmy plays sup' Blur (gaining 2 add), Appolonius can play some prevention card on the first additional stike, and then play a Blur, to dodge Jimmy's second strike.

That's new to me.

In this case, if Appolonius used Blur to gain additional strikes, his second additional strike would occur after Jimmy's second additional strike.

Jimmy/Appolonius
Jimmy (1st Blur)
Jimmy (2nd Blur)/Appolonius (1st Blur)
Appolonius (2nd Blur)

Weird. And Appolonius could also play his Blur after all of Jimmy's additional strikes had resolved.

AaronC wrote:

That's new to me.

Me too (which isn't really that surprising...).
I'm glad glad we asked.