file Jar of skin eaters

05 Mar 2013 11:30 #45675 by galliard
Jar of skin eaters was created by galliard
Hi
Does the jar burn even if action was blocked?
I think it does, but need confirmation.
Also in combat if minion strikes with jar does it burn only when damage is inflicted or always (despite dodge/combat ends)

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05 Mar 2013 11:37 #45676 by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Jar of skin eaters
IIRC, it does not burn if the action is blocked, and you can use it during the resulting combat. That's the same thing as not paying the cost of a blocked action.

In case of combat end, the combat end before you can use it, so you keep it.

In case of dodge (or damage prevention), the jar is burned : it have been used, even if it did nothing.

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05 Mar 2013 11:47 #45677 by galliard
Replied by galliard on topic Re: Jar of skin eaters
but if you use action card to attempt action, it is burn when you use it, even if blocked.
anybody else to confirm what Ohlmann saying? thanks by the way

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05 Mar 2013 11:51 - 05 Mar 2013 11:53 #45679 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Jar of skin eaters
Please include the cardtext of the cards in the rule forum. You can paste it from the reference text file in the downloads section

Name: Jar of Skin Eaters
[HttB:C]
Cardtype: Equipment
Clan: Tremere/Tremere antitribu
Weapon.
The bearer may use this weapon only if it has a blood on it. Strike: 3R aggravated damage. This minion may inflict 3 aggravated damage on another minion as a (D) action. Burn after either use. Any Gargoyle enslaved to this vampire may move 1 blood to this card as a +1 stealth action.


In order to burn, the Jar must be used successfully
-> the action wasn't blocked during the (D) action
-> the Jar's strike successfully resolves

Dodging the strike doesn't mean the Jar wasn't successfully resolved (but it has no effect on the opposing minion).

Effects may cause the strike not to resolve:
- the Jar was stolen with first strike by the opposing vampire
- the opposing minion plays a strike: combat ends.

It's the same ruling as Bomb btw.

Name: Bomb
[Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:PN, Third:U, KoT:U]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Weapon.
Strike: 5R damage. If the bomb is used in combat, the bearer takes 5 damage as well. The minion with this weapon may burn a location as a (D) action. Burn the Bomb after use.

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Last edit: 05 Mar 2013 11:53 by Ankha.
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05 Mar 2013 12:06 #45680 by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Jar of skin eaters

but if you use action card to attempt action, it is burn when you use it, even if blocked.


It's not a cost to burn the action card. Also, it's burned when you begin to attempt the action, not after you finish the action

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05 Mar 2013 12:58 #45681 by Suoli
Replied by Suoli on topic Re: Jar of skin eaters

It's not a cost to burn the action card. Also, it's burned when you begin to attempt the action, not after you finish the action


Only if it read "this minion may attempt to x". As it is, "use" refers to "this minion may inflict 3 aggravated damage as a D action." If the D action is blocked, the minion attempted to inflict damage but didn't actually do it.

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