Caseless Rounds & Sawed-Off Shotgun

Caseless Rounds
[Gehenna:C, KoT:U]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 pool
Ammo.
Only usable before resolution of a gun's strike. For the remainder of combat, once each round when the bearer strikes with this gun, the bearer gets an optional additional strike, only usable to strike with this gun. No more than one ammo card can be used on a gun each combat.

Name: Sawed-Off Shotgun
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, SW:PB, CE:PB, Third:PM2]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 2 pool
Weapon, gun.
3R damage each strike, only usable once each combat.

My question is this. Is it possible to use the Caseless Rounds with the Sawed-Off Shotgun? During the combat phase we both used the shotgun to strike at each other for 3R. Before the resolution I played the Caseless rounds to get an additional strike. Is it possible to do this? Or did I completely screw him? Thanks for the help.

You would get an additional strike once, but cannot use it, because, so to say, your weapon is "jammed". Furthermore, since you can gain additional strikes only from one source (unless the source states otherwise), you would not be able to play additional strike as well (that one time you actually shoot the sawed-off).

But you can play the card itself just to cycle

you can play the ammo card but the additional from the ammo card can't be used because of the shotgun's text.

I believe, since it is optional, you can choose to not take that as your one source of additional strikes. This means you could gain additionals from another source and strike with something else.

IMHO, the additional strike is mandatory if you strike with the gun (and you do just after you play this ammo). It is worded "gets". Just like you can't play multiple additional strike cards just to cycle, because you "get" additional strikes which are against the rules, same should apply here.

Zimji wrote:

Caseless Rounds
[Gehenna:C, KoT:U]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 pool
Ammo.
Only usable before resolution of a gun's strike. For the remainder of combat, once each round when the bearer strikes with this gun, the bearer gets an optional additional strike, only usable to strike with this gun. No more than one ammo card can be used on a gun each combat.

Name: Sawed-Off Shotgun
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, SW:PB, CE:PB, Third:PM2]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 2 pool
Weapon, gun.
3R damage each strike, only usable once each combat.

My question is this. Is it possible to use the Caseless Rounds with the Sawed-Off Shotgun?

Yes. [LSJ 20040623]

Zimji wrote:

During the combat phase we both used the shotgun to strike at each other for 3R. Before the resolution I played the Caseless rounds to get an additional strike. Is it possible to do this?

Yes. [LSJ 20040623]

Zimji wrote:

Or did I completely screw him? Thanks for the help.

That depends what you did with that optional additional strike. If you did anything else than nothing (for instance, handstrike or Shotgun strike), that was illegal. If you used a Spike-Thrower, you probably nailed him.


Using the optional additional strike is not mandatory. [LSJ 20081017]

If he used a Spike-Thrower, that was illegal too, because of the cardtext on Caseless Rounds.