times Alonso, Venenation and Mask 1K Faces

07 Jun 2011 00:44 - 07 Feb 2013 10:59 #4926 by d31m
Just wondering how Alonso's inherent +1 Stealth interacts with Mask 1K Faces and Venenation.

Eg:
Ankh Attempts to play Temptation on Beast. Beast attempts to block. Ankh does not play stealth, block is a success. Ankh plays Venenation. Fine till this point.

Alonso Masks. The action is a Ser action, so it now has +1 Stealth (due to his text). However, Venenation requires a successful block to have taken place.

Does the action continue at +1 Stealth? Or does the previous block stand, and how is that reconciled with 6.2.2.2?

6.2.2.2. Stealth and Intercept.
To see if a block attempt succeeds, compare the acting minion's stealth to the blocking minion's intercept. The action is blocked if the blocker's intercept is equal to or greater than the acting minion's stealth. By default, minions have 0 stealth and 0 intercept. So a block attempt will normally succeed unless the action has inherent stealth (such as hunting) or a card or effect is used to increase the acting minion's stealth.

Thanks for any insight.
Last edit: 07 Feb 2013 10:59 by Pascal Bertrand.

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07 Jun 2011 00:59 #4927 by Adonai
Venenation requires a block.
Stealth is no longer of concern.
The action cannot continue.

Either the blocking vampire is stolen or combat occurs.

LSJ 04-29-2002
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The Lasombra 09-08-2003
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Once it is determined that a block attempt will succeed, you may still
play Mask of a Thousand Faces at inferior obfuscate to change the
acting minion unless something like Aching Beauty enters the picture.

LSJ 2003-05-21
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LSJ 2003-05-20
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LSJ 2003-05-19 -- RTR 05-19-2003
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07 Jun 2011 07:44 #4932 by Pascal Bertrand
After Mask is played (it can only be played at inferior, since stealth isn't needed outside of a block attempt), Alonso's the acting minion and enters combat with the blocker, unless the blocker was stolen by Venenation.

(fun stuff: in that combat, Alonso can't play sup' Form of Mist, since he already has more stealth than the blocker's intercept, and FoM would give him some more stealth he doesn't need).

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07 Jun 2011 08:46 #4934 by Amenophobis

After Mask is played (it can only be played at inferior, since stealth isn't needed outside of a block attempt), Alonso's the acting minion and enters combat with the blocker, unless the blocker was stolen by Venenation.


Alonso could play a second Venenation himself. If the blocker was stolen now, no combat would occur. You could even have a 3rd and a 4th (and so on) vampire with :ser: play Mask and Venenation. B)

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